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dera 02-27-2019 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2771869)
Most airlines aren't as quick to throw letters in your file as Envoy.

Now that's a different issue altogether.

griff312 02-28-2019 08:18 AM

Now wait a minute! So you're telling me that a step 2 letter for attendence (sick call(s), not accepting a JM on a day off, ect...) all of a sudden has something to do with training records? I thought PRIA only had your training & checking records?

From faa.gov

PRIA requires that a hiring air carrier under 14 CFR parts 121 and 135, or a hiring air operator under 14 CFR part 125, request, receive, and evaluate certain information concerning a pilot/applicant's training, experience, qualification, and safety background, before allowing that individual to begin service...

Or did I misunderstand, and you are talking about 2 different things?

Varsity 02-28-2019 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by griff312 (Post 2772172)
Now wait a minute! So you're telling me that a step 2 letter for attendence (sick call(s), not accepting a JM on a day off, ect...) all of a sudden has something to do with training records? I thought PRIA only had your training & checking records?

From faa.gov

PRIA requires that a hiring air carrier under 14 CFR parts 121 and 135, or a hiring air operator under 14 CFR part 125, request, receive, and evaluate certain information concerning a pilot/applicant's training, experience, qualification, and safety background, before allowing that individual to begin service...

Or did I misunderstand, and you are talking about 2 different things?

Flowing to AA for people hired after 2011 is not guaranteed. It's not just subject to pria, but also how Envoy feels about you.

If you are hired after 2011, your flow to AA can be withheld by Envoy for any reason.

dvtpilot 02-28-2019 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by griff312 (Post 2772172)
Now wait a minute! So you're telling me that a step 2 letter for attendence (sick call(s), not accepting a JM on a day off, ect...) all of a sudden has something to do with training records? I thought PRIA only had your training & checking records?

From faa.gov

PRIA requires that a hiring air carrier under 14 CFR parts 121 and 135, or a hiring air operator under 14 CFR part 125, request, receive, and evaluate certain information concerning a pilot/applicant's training, experience, qualification, and safety background, before allowing that individual to begin service...

Or did I misunderstand, and you are talking about 2 different things?

Thats my understanding as well. Not sure why a step letter would ever be in PRIA, and if it were would seem like an easy lawsuit should a person be denied a job from that. If you can prove it of course.

moon 02-28-2019 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2772177)
Flowing to AA for people hired after 2011 is not guaranteed. It's not just subject to pria, but also how Envoy feels about you.

If you are hired after 2011, your flow to AA can be withheld by Envoy for any reason.

I don't think that is true.

Varsity 02-28-2019 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2772277)
I don't think that is true.

It is 100% true. Read the contract.

After the 824 and PP are gone, The company is under no obligation to flow you if you are subject to any performance or behavioral concerns. The company decides what a performance and behavioral problem is. They are the prosecutor and the judge.

I'd also like to add that the flow is about to drop off big time in 10 months. Going from 29/month to 15/month overnight.

TeeRainPULup 02-28-2019 02:52 PM

The thing that hasn’t been said is if word gets out the they are jacking with the flow people will leave. We are not slaves here. Plenty of other ways to get to mainline besides envoy.

dera 02-28-2019 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2772281)
It is 100% true. Read the contract.

After the 824 and PP are gone, The company is under no obligation to flow you if you are subject to any performance or behavioral concerns. The company decides what a performance and behavioral problem is. They are the prosecutor and the judge.

I'd also like to add that the flow is about to drop off big time in 10 months. Going from 29/month to 15/month overnight.

Only if you have active letters on your file, not about "concerns".

Drops from 29 to 15, then picks up again after a while. I think it goes up to 20ish per month with the current pilot count.

Varsity 02-28-2019 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2772442)
Only if you have active letters on your file, not about "concerns".

Drops from 29 to 15, then picks up again after a while. I think it goes up to 20ish per month with the current pilot count.

Letters last years.

dera 02-28-2019 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2772563)
Letters last years.

2 years. It's in the contract. Keep your nose clean for the last 2 years and you should do just fine.


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