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04-11-2019, 05:03 AM
#171
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Originally Posted by dera
Hey, those "immediate" base awards were facts from the last vacancy bid. It's not that far off now.
And hey - most junior guys got what they wanted, the most junior guys were only a few numbers away from their nr.1 preference. The most junior guy got his nr2 3P. He will get it next round. He'll hold it maybe 4-5 months off IOE. Big deal. I dont think it's bad, but that's just me.
You're complaining about 3-4 month base transfers. Seriously? Grow up.
And this is just hilarious coming from someone like you. You said that it takes a year to hold a line at DFL. Guess what, it doesn't, and it never did. I think so far my comments have been more accurate than yours.
And hey - most junior guys got what they wanted, the most junior guys were only a few numbers away from their nr.1 preference. The most junior guy got his nr2 3P. He will get it next round. He'll hold it maybe 4-5 months off IOE. Big deal. I dont think it's bad, but that's just me.
You're complaining about 3-4 month base transfers. Seriously? Grow up.
And this is just hilarious coming from someone like you. You said that it takes a year to hold a line at DFL. Guess what, it doesn't, and it never did. I think so far my comments have been more accurate than yours.
Coming up on half a year now. How's you line doing? Got the weekends off?
If the reserve times are falling there that's great, but I'm pretty sure your "and it never was" will get a few of your colleagues angry.
04-11-2019, 05:05 AM
#172
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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
I know a few guys who got DFE immediately too, didn’t think that was possible. This company is way to hard to predict...
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04-11-2019, 03:44 PM
#175
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
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Originally Posted by BigZ
You were hired what... October?
Coming up on half a year now. How's you line doing? Got the weekends off?
If the reserve times are falling there that's great, but I'm pretty sure your "and it never was" will get a few of your colleagues angry.
Coming up on half a year now. How's you line doing? Got the weekends off?
If the reserve times are falling there that's great, but I'm pretty sure your "and it never was" will get a few of your colleagues angry.
ORD just 1 month. We know more next week.
No-one mentioned having weekends off, you're just moving goalposts now.
04-11-2019, 04:24 PM
#176
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Originally Posted by dera
Yeah looks like 2 months of reserve for us after IOE in DFW.
ORD just 1 month. We know more next week.
No-one mentioned having weekends off, you're just moving goalposts now.
ORD just 1 month. We know more next week.
No-one mentioned having weekends off, you're just moving goalposts now.
Time since date of hire is just an easier metric.
So if you were hired in october and got off of ioe january, for example, and get a line in june, that's 8 months to hold a line, not 4.
Weekends was a figure of speech.
04-11-2019, 04:40 PM
#177
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Originally Posted by BigZ
"Year of reserve" starts counting from the date of hire. One guy senior to you could flunk a maneuver and wait a month for a sim slot. Would finish ioe a month after you, spend that month less on reserve. Or military reserve guys could have a schedule conflict and finish ioe later.
Time since date of hire is just an easier metric.
So if you were hired in october and got off of ioe january, for example, and get a line in june, that's 8 months to hold a line, not 4.
Weekends was a figure of speech.
Time since date of hire is just an easier metric.
So if you were hired in october and got off of ioe january, for example, and get a line in june, that's 8 months to hold a line, not 4.
Weekends was a figure of speech.
Okay.
What matters is time after indoc, not your metric that you just came up with.
With your goal posts, it's 5 months. FYI.
04-11-2019, 09:03 PM
#178
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Originally Posted by dera
So you're saying its a year to hold a line because some guys dropped orders after indoc and aren't through training yet.
Okay.
What matters is time after indoc, not your metric that you just came up with.
With your goal posts, it's 5 months. FYI.
Okay.
What matters is time after indoc, not your metric that you just came up with.
With your goal posts, it's 5 months. FYI.
Hence his ioe to line can be 2 months and yours 5. Which is why it is customary to count the time to hold a line since the date of hire. Not a hard concept.
So if it is 5 months, and your first day of indoc was 9/10/18 then you've been holding a line since March? Woohoo, congrats.
04-11-2019, 09:15 PM
#179
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Originally Posted by BigZ
No, what I'm saying is the guy who is senior to you and had a delay in training and shows up on the reserve list two months after you will bump your stupid ass back down the list.
Hence his ioe to line can be 2 months and yours 5. Which is why it is customary to count the time to hold a line since the date of hire. Not a hard concept.
So if it is 5 months, and your first day of indoc was 9/10/18 then you've been holding a line since March? Woohoo, congrats.
Hence his ioe to line can be 2 months and yours 5. Which is why it is customary to count the time to hold a line since the date of hire. Not a hard concept.
So if it is 5 months, and your first day of indoc was 9/10/18 then you've been holding a line since March? Woohoo, congrats.
04-12-2019, 12:37 AM
#180
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Position: Whale FO
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Originally Posted by BigZ
No, what I'm saying is the guy who is senior to you and had a delay in training and shows up on the reserve list two months after you will bump your stupid ass back down the list.
Hence his ioe to line can be 2 months and yours 5. Which is why it is customary to count the time to hold a line since the date of hire. Not a hard concept.
So if it is 5 months, and your first day of indoc was 9/10/18 then you've been holding a line since March? Woohoo, congrats.
Hence his ioe to line can be 2 months and yours 5. Which is why it is customary to count the time to hold a line since the date of hire. Not a hard concept.
So if it is 5 months, and your first day of indoc was 9/10/18 then you've been holding a line since March? Woohoo, congrats.
My DOH was not 9/10/18. But yeah, those hires had a line in March.
Other airlines say "no reserve time", I just try to have a level playing field. But use whatever metric you want.
However you spin it, if you get the 175, you won't get to enjoy the famous award-winning reserve rules for long.
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