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uavking 04-27-2019 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by blackbox348 (Post 2809733)
IMO id like to see everyone on the same blended rate and no more pay banding, it complicates things and only benefits the top 20% of the seniority list...albeit just a few dollars.

You mean that you don't enjoy flying a 65-76 seat RJ for 50 seat rates? Crazy talk.

Varsity 04-27-2019 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2809646)
As far as that goes, Envoy has the “Group” rates, so it isn’t really aircraft specific. And our number of “heavies” is increasing as well, albeit very slowly, so our overall rate should go up as well.

We have no control over this and our pay shouldn't be subjected to it.

BigZ 04-27-2019 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2809854)
We have no control over this and our pay shouldn't be subjected to it.

Amen.
Filler

pitchattitude 04-27-2019 09:26 AM

I’m not advocating for ANY kind of blended, banded, or grouped pay rate. I think it should be based only years if service. I realize that some “big boys” have different rates for some of the same type rated aircraft. The way PSA and several other companies have a blended rate, I think, is really kind of ridiculous. Envoy’s pay banding is an abortion of the same concept.

Yes, 145 and 175 have different type ratings, but really no reason to have different rates. It would also give less incentive to merge Envoy and Piedmont if all captains were paid the same.

buddies8 04-27-2019 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by blackbox348 (Post 2809733)
IMO id like to see everyone on the same blended rate and no more pay banding, it complicates things and only benefits the top 20% of the seniority list...albeit just a few dollars.

You mean like all that bonus money plus 3rd year pay rate coming out of the starting gate for f/o's. The top have not benefited anything in 10 years while you have. Cant have everything.

Pedro4President 04-28-2019 03:41 AM


Originally Posted by blackbox348 (Post 2809733)
IMO id like to see everyone on the same blended rate and no more pay banding, it complicates things and only benefits the top 20% of the seniority list...albeit just a few dollars.

Ha!! Just as I am about to get the pay bump you want to take most of the money I am about to get and give it to you. Ok got it.

Ijustlikeflying 04-28-2019 04:28 AM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2810265)
Ha!! Just as I am about to get the pay bump you want to take most of the money I am about to get and give it to you. Ok got it.

Don’t be like that. If we went by your method, nothing would ever advance in this industry. Your timing wasn’t as good. Live with it or pout about it.

Jamesthunder 04-28-2019 04:33 AM

A 3rd year captain on reserve, no per diem, no additional hours. Pre-Tax values.

Envoy: $5,434.50
PSA: $6,576.00
Difference of 1141.5 per month

2nd year FO, same.
Envoy: $3,043.50
PSA: $3,915.75
Difference of 872.25 per month

3rd year captain, 72 hour line, 300 hours of per diem, pre-tax values, 10 additional hours picked up.
Envoy: $6,123.06
PSA: $7,913.20
Difference of 1790.14 per month

2nd year FO, 72 hour line, 300 hours of per diem, pre-tax value. 10 additional hours picked up.
Envoy: $3,530.46
PSA: $4,942.59
Difference of 1412.13 per month


6th year captain on band B vs PSA 6th year, 72 hour line, 300 hours of per diem, 10 additional hours of flying, pre-tax.

Envoy: $6690.30
PSA: $8,595.76
Difference of 1905.46 per month

Cyio 04-28-2019 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by Jamesthunder (Post 2810280)
A 3rd year captain on reserve, no per diem, no additional hours. Pre-Tax values.

Envoy: $5,434.50
PSA: $6,576.00
Difference of 1141.5 per month

2nd year FO, same.
Envoy: $3,043.50
PSA: $3,915.75
Difference of 872.25 per month

3rd year captain, 72 hour line, 300 hours of per diem, pre-tax values, 10 additional hours picked up.
Envoy: $6,123.06
PSA: $7,913.20
Difference of 1790.14 per month

2nd year FO, 72 hour line, 300 hours of per diem, pre-tax value. 10 additional hours picked up.
Envoy: $3,530.46
PSA: $4,942.59
Difference of 1412.13 per month


6th year captain on band B vs PSA 6th year, 72 hour line, 300 hours of per diem, 10 additional hours of flying, pre-tax.

Envoy: $6690.30
PSA: $8,595.76
Difference of 1905.46 per month

I sure could use an extra $1000-$1500 a month. Thats a mortgage payment for a lot of people.

pitchattitude 04-28-2019 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2810287)
I sure could use an extra $1000-$1500 a month. Thats a mortgage payment for a lot of people.

Or a car and insurance payment on a mid-life crisis car. Or part of an alimony payment to a second ex-wife.


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