Give ALPA and the company a chance to meet first...

It’s been almost 3 weeks. I’m sure they have but we just aren’t allowed to know what’s going on as usual.

If by almost 3 weeks you mean 13 days you'd be right. The comm that they were going to be meeting soon came out a week ago. We are all ready to see some change but we have to give the negotiations a little more chance to progress.

Oops yeah, I forgot it’s only the 16th.

Pat came to the DFW crew room yesterday (15APR) for about 45 minutes. Envoy management wants to sit down this week to talk about the raises. Talk only, not negotiate. Pat expects the meeting to occur tomorrow (17APR), and expects a recap email to the pilot group next Monday (22APR).



Other discussion revolved around mid-day rest assignment, fatigue calls, extensions, etc. Maybe someone that was also here will chime in on his talk with us to fill my gaps.

I hope they understand that the company will want some cost savings in other areas. I'm not saying it is reasonable, I am saying it is what they will want. ALPA needs to be ready to say no. The economy is on our side right now but the contract is on the company's side. They will only reopen the contract if they think they can mitigate costs and extend the contract into the next recession.

Agreed. Pat mentioned several times that they are keenly aware of our situation and have no issue with walking away based on the contingencies tied to whatever raise they offer. They (management) know we've walked before, and I'd like to think that would affect the structure of their initial offer, but I've succumbed to the notion that they still just don't give a ****.

Management is only talking to us to show face. They don't want to not plan to give us raises. They will tell our union that They are milling it over and will come back to them at a later date. That date will keep getting pushed into the future. If anyone is expecting raises anytime soon, you are in for a rude awakening.

I actually really am optimistic that we will get the pay rates...and on a much shorter timeline than anyone expects. I have no insider information, but having spent 5 years at AA HDQ, I know how they manage the 3 WOs - and frankly I’m not sure that Envoy could even prevent AA from saying ‘give your pilots x’ as that’s what it seems AA offered PSA management.

Additionally, when Eric was in the DFW crew room Thursday - he made it clear that discussions this week were trilateral, between AA, ENY MEC and ENY mgmt.

AA isn’t going to let a disparity happen for long amongst the three. Personally I see PDT getting a raise next then Envoy. Per the PSA MEC the company came to the union with rates and there wasn’t much negotiating done. Took the money and ran.