My flow is in about 18 months (maybe less with attrition) and I’m also interviewing elsewhere as we speak.

It’s all the little things adding up but the big one was the ORD crew that got fired. That, and pay not keeping pace with industry.

We aren't the only ones with the 175. Atleast 4 other regionals have them. Our recruiters just do a better job selling them.

Ahhhmmm, b.s.

Everyone likes to tout the 175s as why classes are full. While that may be a small part of the equation, the majority is our recruiting dept did a hell of a job recruiting cadets and rtp guys along with selling street hires on flow. You cant seriously believe the 175 is the only reason we have full classes.

You do make a point about them being great salesman. At least for the RTP community, most guys have passed onto their buddies that better options exist for that community of aviators. I don’t know if young cadets would take this advice and seek opportunities elsewhere.


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no not just that, but ignorance too.

Yep Envoy was very smart being at the front of the RTP side of things.

You have to hand it to them, the recruitment team circa 2016 had some good foresight which has paved the way for decent class sizes this far down the road. Credit where credit is due.

To your point — flow is likely going to be 7-9 years for a new hire today. Why would anyone new want to stick around for that? Sure, the promise a mainline job someday (assuming the flow doesn’t get slowed down or canceled due to financial woes at American) is better than none at all, but, say you do flow... you’re going to be very junior at AA (i.e. furlough risk). Speaking of financial woes, AAG is struggling right now when virtually every other airline is killing it in this economy. If they can’t perform and generate revenue during these good years, the future is quite ominous.

Anyway, I digress. The flow is a powerful recruiting tool but, under closer examination, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be for someone new today. Frankly, unless I was able to get to AA in the next few years and secure a seniority number in the massive turnover from retirements, I’d rather go to Spirit. They’re cutting into AA’s marketshare, much healthier financially, and outperforming them. The only thing that’d make gutting it out here tolerable to great is better compensation and work rules.

Has anyone heard what PDT was offered last week as far as rates go? I’m sure it was a take it or leave it scenario. I’d assume they will be offered the regular 50 seat rate that PSA agreed to and being that they don’t have a fleet to blend it will end up as a lower overall compensation package.

I think it’s telling that they haven’t announced anything after the meeting they were most likely not interested in the crap deal they were offered