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Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2795923)

The hate is strong with this one. You do realize that Envoy flows three times what PSA does right? Or w ould you rather sit at PSA for a decade waiting to flow.

And you realize that PSA is flowing 2013 hires right now and will be to 2014 hires soon. While we flow early 2010 hires.

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Originally Posted by Toolbox9909 (Post 2795660)

ALPA should not have let this gone through, while they are well aware that envoy pilots (also represented by alpa) has also been fighting for a pay raise. Where is the unity in that? Whipsawing has begun again. If PSA is having recruiting problems, that should have been ALPAs bargaining chip to raise the level for all its union members within the WO. That is the union's job. It doesn't start with me. It starts with them, they are the labor stewards.

LMAO!

PSA Sucks, they stole our aircraft, agreed to pay caps, and they're bringing down the whole industry, STOP THE WHIPSAW!!

- or-

PSA is now getting paid way more than us and faster flow and SAP, STOP THE WHIPSAW!!

And you clearly have no idea how ALPA as a whole works. And Teamsters has Stewards, ALPA has Status Reps.

But don't worry, your ignorance won't prevent AA from eventually paying all the WO carriers a very similar amount, probably sooner rather than later. Do you actually think they're going to let their precious 175s go understaffed?

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Originally Posted by OldBiff (Post 2795904)

You know that LOA pay on award was to avoid a grievance/mediation about the DECs right? Do you also know that if they’d negotiated a proper contract in the first place the company wouldn’t have had to clear it up? It’s all union incompetence created. Time for some action or new blood.

You do know the DEC is still going to arbitration right?

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Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2796046)

You do know the DEC is still going to arbitration right?

You know we’re going to lose, because that’s what we do at arbitration. Mainly because our reps think that faith, spirit, and feelings are part of contract law. They’re always woefully outgunned and it shows.

You are out gunned because klocke is an idiot for a lawyer. He can mess up a wet dream and could not fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Thats from first hand knowledge.

So do we get PSA rates every time we fly through CLT now? Maybe if we say pretty please to the company they’ll allow it.

A 3rd year captain on reserve, no per diem, no additional hours. Pre-Tax values.

Envoy: $5,434.50
PSA: $6,576.00

2nd year FO, same.
Envoy: $3,043.50
PSA: $3,915.75

3rd year captain, 72 hour line, 300 hours of per diem, pre-tax values, 10 additional hours picked up.
Envoy: $6,123.06
PSA: $8,680.40

2nd year FO, 72 hour line, 300 hours of per diem, pre-tax value. 10 additional hours picked up.
Envoy: $3,530.46
PSA: $5,399.43

6th year captain on band B vs PSA 6th year, 72 hour line, 300 hours of per diem, 10 additional hours of flying, pre-tax.

Envoy: $6690.30
PSA: $9434.28

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Originally Posted by Weekendwarrior2 (Post 2796079)

So do we get PSA rates every time we fly through CLT now? Maybe if we say pretty please to the company they’ll allow it.

Everyone flying through CLT should get an extra $10 for each ramp frequency they have to talk to.

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Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2796073)

You are out gunned because klocke is an idiot for a lawyer. He can mess up a wet dream and could not fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Thats from first hand knowledge.

Maybe if you pay them based on their performance they actually try? What a concept ...

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Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2796115)

Everyone flying through CLT should get an extra $10 for each ramp frequency they have to talk to.

Everyone flying through Charlotte does make extra money. 45 min taxi, keep that over block comin! Piedmont rampers are the real MVP. Can never find their sticks and NEVER hustle, I love my extra moolah! Wait till it gets hot and they're all hanging out in the ac, it's a win win :)