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chrisreedrules 04-04-2019 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2796335)
I love that you guys just essentially sold SAP out.

We still have our SAP. It’s still great. Been working much better the past couple months. I’ve got 12 off and 106 credit for April with our pay override. And now with these new pay rates I’ll have an almost $10,000 month. Not boasting (though I am very pleased with my schedule) but just saying... We didn’t give anything up.

That being said I am truly surprised that AAG didn’t level raises at all 3 WOs. I don’t know what they’re aiming at by just giving PSA raises but they certainly have something up their sleeve. Been hearing renewed rumors of AAG pulling the 20 Eagle 175s back in house from Compass and the CRJ900s they own from Mesa. So I figured rumors of raises would have been for everyone.

MD-11Loader 04-04-2019 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by 272922 (Post 2796389)
You've been woefully misinformed.

So the language that reads “with regards to PBS, the company and the Association have agreed to continue good faith discussions as a quid pro quo for these increases” doesn’t open the door for PBS to be implemented? It’s coming, and you just unlocked the door.

272922 04-04-2019 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2796461)
So the language that reads “with regards to PBS, the company and the Association have agreed to continue good faith discussions as a quid pro quo for these increases” doesn’t open the door for PBS to be implemented? It’s coming, and you just unlocked the door.

You skipped the sentence immediately following that: "Both sides have also mutually agreed that if an agreement regarding PBS is eventually reached, that agreement will go out for a vote to the pilot group."

If you're going to tell a story, tell the whole story. This isn't MSNBC.

Varsity 04-04-2019 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2796452)
We still have our SAP. It’s still great. Been working much better the past couple months. I’ve got 12 off and 106 credit for April with our pay override. And now with these new pay rates I’ll have an almost $10,000 month. Not boasting (though I am very pleased with my schedule) but just saying... We didn’t give anything up.

That being said I am truly surprised that AAG didn’t level raises at all 3 WOs. I don’t know what they’re aiming at by just giving PSA raises but they certainly have something up their sleeve. Been hearing renewed rumors of AAG pulling the 20 Eagle 175s back in house from Compass and the CRJ900s they own from Mesa. So I figured rumors of raises would have been for everyone.

AAG doesn't own any of the mesa crjs.

Jma313 04-04-2019 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2796264)
Maybe no 2013 pilots are at PSA but those who jumped at the opportunity to ride the PSA wagon are still there and they were there in September of 2016 also when we should have gotten these raises but PSA jumped at a bad deal then to set the bar for the other WOs for years to come. So I think your statement has some merit. Happy the pay is going up over there hopefully to be followed shortly by us and PDT but I hope the PSAers still realize there's a long way to go to get credibility back in mine and many many envoy pilots eyes.

I’m glad getting my our street cred up is a requirmtent to be decent to one another.

Chunk 04-04-2019 09:20 PM

I, nor 80% of my coworkers, were at PSA when the contract was signed. We don’t hold any ill will toward Envoy and I can tell you that every one of my fellow PSA pilots that I’ve spoken to has stated that they hope all the WOs follow suit with pay parity quickly.

Best wishes on a speedy resolution on your contract.

captande 04-04-2019 10:32 PM

I’ve never gotten more than a tongue in cheek razzing when needing the jump or sticking my head in to thank the crew for the ride.

I’ve only been here a little over a year, so I’m not deeply familiar with the 2013 situation. Although I hope this doesn’t effect how we should treat each other as professionals. I too, am one of the many PSA pilots who hope to see the other WO get the pay increases you deserve.

boiler07 04-04-2019 11:05 PM

What the PSA guests fail to understand is that it's not whether or not they were on property in 2013 that matters. It's how AAG used PSA to prevent the bar from being raised (aka not lowered as far in BK) at PDT and ENY at the time.

Fast forward to today. I'd like to see us bargain for the rates we wanted last year. However, I suspect the dollar amount is now fixed at exactly the total cost of PSA's agreement. The line will be, "This is what PSA took, so it's what you get too." We are now beholden to the negotiating, or lack thereof, that took place at PSA before this agreement was signed. It was a spoiled opportunity on their part. It will be extremely difficult for ENY or PDT to bargain as planned now that one of the WO's has settled for a certain amount.

Consider what happened here. PSA management had a problem that needed fixing in a time when Regional feed was being brought back in-house for operational considerations. Think about who held the cards at that moment. AAG will not let one of their WOs falter with recruitment or retention for long. Think about the leverage the PSA MEC could have gained by slowing their roll enough to realize the power they had. It begs the question - Why didn't they? The answer lies with the demographics. One particular character from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory comes to mind - Veruca Salt.

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fenix1 04-04-2019 11:38 PM

Timing (700’s)
 
Why would PSA mgt/AAG offer the PSA pilot group a pay increase at this point in time? From the company’s (AAG’s) perspective, wouldn’t have this made a lot more sense earlier in the process of CRJ-700’s moving from ENY to PSA because PSA was struggling to accept jets? (Or were PSA’s issues in taking the 700’s early entirely maintenance related?)

Cyio 04-05-2019 01:05 AM

For me I am glad that you all got the raises, I truly am. Do I wish it was done as a concerted effort between the three WO's union teams, absolutely. Do I feel that we all could have gotten more if each MEC talked to the other about this and moved forward as one concerted effort? Absolutely.

However, at this point, it is an advancement and if we see it at Envoy it will be a win that we sorely need. Thankfully nothing was given up for it at PSA, so that should help us avoid giving anything up.

I just hope out union doesn't cave easily and give up something important for this.


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