ALPA is not what it used to be
04-13-2019, 04:02 PM
#11
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I don’t see what’s unique about this. I’ve personally seen mistaken headings rolled in more than once, and while I’m hyper-vigilant in the terminal environment, especially with IFR turns starting 400’, this 100% could happen to me or you.
04-13-2019, 09:33 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I am not willing to go into further detail about it but I will say the company had very strong reasons to distance themselves, regardless of our opinion on it.
04-23-2019, 02:11 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by Naviator
Back in the day when an airline fired a pilot for no good reason ALPA stood up for that pilot and the pilot group stood behind ALPA demanding reinstatement. The power of the union was used to protect pilots. Today ALPA sends a disappointed email to the pilot group, then silence. Where’s Dave Behncke when we need him?
04-23-2019, 07:28 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I am not willing to go into further detail about it but I will say the company had very strong reasons to distance themselves, regardless of our opinion on it.
Ohhhh someone here is soooo important.. they have insider information!! They know people! But nope, no proof you know anything lol. Just trying to post and get yourself some attention like you might actually be someone important.
04-24-2019, 02:02 AM
#15
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Originally Posted by SlowtationXL
Ohhhh someone here is soooo important.. they have insider information!! They know people! But nope, no proof you know anything lol. Just trying to post and get yourself some attention like you might actually be someone important.
All I am saying is there was another outside factor that could have influenced the swift and harsh action. I am not saying it is right, just saying it may have been a factor.
I am not withholding that information for any reason other than the union and pilots are working to get their jobs back and I don't think the details should be shared while its an open issue.
If you are new here, welcome, hopefully you have more constructive posts going forward.
04-24-2019, 07:36 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Well given you have two posts, you either are brand new here or didn't want to post on your main account. Either way, I am not here for attention and I think any reasonable person could look back and see that.
All I am saying is there was another outside factor that could have influenced the swift and harsh action. I am not saying it is right, just saying it may have been a factor.
I am not withholding that information for any reason other than the union and pilots are working to get their jobs back and I don't think the details should be shared while its an open issue.
If you are new here, welcome, hopefully you have more constructive posts going forward.
All I am saying is there was another outside factor that could have influenced the swift and harsh action. I am not saying it is right, just saying it may have been a factor.
I am not withholding that information for any reason other than the union and pilots are working to get their jobs back and I don't think the details should be shared while its an open issue.
If you are new here, welcome, hopefully you have more constructive posts going forward.
In the interest of helping others to not face the same outcome, can anything be shared (generally speaking) to be vigilant to avoid other than the mistake itself? Are these "outside factors" in the cockpit, outside the cockpit, happen the same day, days prior, as a crew or individuals? Just anything to be helpful so others are not building a nest of these outside factors in case a mistake happens and the cannon is now pointed at us. Ounce of prevention type question, but obviously don't want to harm their cause or defense.
04-24-2019, 08:12 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by CaseTractor
Are you referring to something other than the media coverage?
In the interest of helping others to not face the same outcome, can anything be shared (generally speaking) to be vigilant to avoid other than the mistake itself? Are these "outside factors" in the cockpit, outside the cockpit, happen the same day, days prior, as a crew or individuals? Just anything to be helpful so others are not building a nest of these outside factors in case a mistake happens and the cannon is now pointed at us. Ounce of prevention type question, but obviously don't want to harm their cause or defense.
In the interest of helping others to not face the same outcome, can anything be shared (generally speaking) to be vigilant to avoid other than the mistake itself? Are these "outside factors" in the cockpit, outside the cockpit, happen the same day, days prior, as a crew or individuals? Just anything to be helpful so others are not building a nest of these outside factors in case a mistake happens and the cannon is now pointed at us. Ounce of prevention type question, but obviously don't want to harm their cause or defense.
04-24-2019, 08:28 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Outsider here, what happened? Cant imagine too many scenarios where the CA would get the job back but the FO would not.
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