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Originally Posted by dvtpilot
(Post 2825627)
This is true, and maybe I’m a few shades jaded by now but I spend enough time away from my wife and kids. The fact that I have to donate more of my time off to a job fair is ludicrous. On top of all the volunteering and charity work you are supposed to be doing already.
I’m fully prepared to hear how that’s the way to get out and you’re not really trying etc. I’m just saying I don’t have enough off days to give anymore. Its stupid really, but its the life we live. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2825624)
Nope, from here
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/2824913-post14.html The math works, and is the only way they get to 6 years. They need 19 a month average fighting to get out of ENY or the union 9 year projections become more accurate. So, I’d plan something in the middle. Plus AA will have a huge training backlog soon which will throttle flow for some time. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2825625)
Yeah, because keeping your apps updated is working so well for everybody. Want out now? Become a check airman, or an asst chief pilot, or an safety volunteer. Do some charity work. Attend job fairs in person. Start networking your tail off and being the guy they see everywhere trying to get the job.
Otherwise, your updated app is just one of 18,000 in the pile. 9 year flow is useless for someone hired TODAY. |
Bottom line: FUPM.
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Originally Posted by UnprotectdPilot
(Post 2826039)
Bottom line: FUPM.
Let’s make this an actual job worth rolling out of bed for occasionally, not the paid internship it is now. |
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
(Post 2826055)
Seriously, PSA has flow and $$$. We can debate about the flow all day but the market price of our excellent flying services has increased.
Let’s make this an actual job worth rolling out of bed for occasionally, not the paid internship it is now. |
Originally Posted by HobGoblin
(Post 2825678)
I was asking about the not letting the pilots negotiate, but I just saw it was confirmed in a new blast.
Reality is the managers at Envoy think SA is a perk and they’re hurting the guys by taking their SA away. Truth is, it’s just paying them what they would have had anyway without the SA removal. Less in fact, since they can’t pick up an extra leg here or there like they could on the line. Plus it puts their name on the radar, and trust me... you are much better off at Envoy without management knowing your name for any reason. They are unscrupulous people and not to be trusted. |
Originally Posted by highfarfast
(Post 2825764)
I knew there would be someone offended by that via confusing what has been to what will be. Didn't think it would be you.
9 year flow is useless for someone hired TODAY. Somebody wanting out now needs to do what I said. Some newbie job hunting today doesn’t need flow, they need pay and QOL.... and that ain’t at any of AAG regionals. There are reasons to pick an AA regional based on where the market is headed, but flow isn’t one of the considerations. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 2826306)
Somebody wanting out now needs to do what I said. Some newbie job hunting today doesn’t need flow, they need pay and QOL.... and that ain’t at any of AAG regionals. There are reasons to pick an AA regional based on where the market is headed, but flow isn’t one of the considerations.
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Originally Posted by martyByrde
(Post 2826403)
True.AA could be the next Eastern in 5 years for all we know
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