Envoy: The LOWEST paid Wholly Owned.
06-26-2019, 05:46 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by CafeConLeche
I wonder if Swane Martin will make a video about how Envoy and AA management don't think his pilot group at Envoy are worth as much as his fellow wholly owned American Eagle pilots.
I hope you new hires realize how much you're valued. Have some self worth and fight for what's right. Single engine taxies and waiting to turn the APU shouldn't be a thing over at Envoy. Picking up OT like Swane Martin made a video about on youtube should not be happening. Doing favors for Envoy needs to stop.
Management takes advantage of the fact that we as pilots truly love aviation. This doesn't mean we should sit back and take it. Eagle pilots make American Airlines great. It's not the other way around just to be clear.
I hope you new hires realize how much you're valued. Have some self worth and fight for what's right. Single engine taxies and waiting to turn the APU shouldn't be a thing over at Envoy. Picking up OT like Swane Martin made a video about on youtube should not be happening. Doing favors for Envoy needs to stop.
Management takes advantage of the fact that we as pilots truly love aviation. This doesn't mean we should sit back and take it. Eagle pilots make American Airlines great. It's not the other way around just to be clear.
Picking up OT is the best thing you can do. You think it's doing Envoy favors? Hell no. With the reserve coverage we have, you really think Envoy is happy to pay 150-200% over guarantee, when they could just give it to a reserve guy who wouldn't break guarantee anyway and would fly for free.
Pick up that OT.
06-26-2019, 05:50 PM
#62
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Originally Posted by dera
Man you are so lost, holy sh*t.
Picking up OT is the best thing you can do. You think it's doing Envoy favors? Hell no. With the reserve coverage we have, you really think Envoy is happy to pay 150-200% over guarantee, when they could just give it to a reserve guy who wouldn't break guarantee anyway and would fly for free.
Pick up that OT.
Picking up OT is the best thing you can do. You think it's doing Envoy favors? Hell no. With the reserve coverage we have, you really think Envoy is happy to pay 150-200% over guarantee, when they could just give it to a reserve guy who wouldn't break guarantee anyway and would fly for free.
Pick up that OT.
06-26-2019, 05:54 PM
#64
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Originally Posted by CafeConLeche
You obviously must be some new FO. Canceling flights costs more. No wonder they are jerking you guys around.
For FOs that's the best thing to do. They don't cancel flights for not having FO's, they have plenty. Swayne Martin is an FO, I don't think he aimed his video to captains.
I just picked up a nice Toronto turn off OT. I get paid almost 10 hours for it - they have 20+ reserves. You think I did the company a favor?
Grab that OT, make them pay. For CA's, YMMV.
06-26-2019, 06:01 PM
#65
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Originally Posted by dera
I'll rephrase a bit:
For FOs that's the best thing to do. They don't cancel flights for not having FO's, they have plenty. Swayne Martin is an FO, I don't think he aimed his video to captains.
Grab that OT, make them pay.
For FOs that's the best thing to do. They don't cancel flights for not having FO's, they have plenty. Swayne Martin is an FO, I don't think he aimed his video to captains.
Grab that OT, make them pay.
FYI, in this market, you dont need this. If they need staffing that bad, they need to up staffing (FUPM). Our attrition group is greater than our incoming group. Paying someone extra is a whole lot cheaper than cancellations. They will gladly pay for your day off.
06-26-2019, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
I'll rephrase a bit:
For FOs that's the best thing to do. They don't cancel flights for not having FO's, they have plenty. Swayne Martin is an FO, I don't think he aimed his video to captains.
Grab that OT, make them pay.
For FOs that's the best thing to do. They don't cancel flights for not having FO's, they have plenty. Swayne Martin is an FO, I don't think he aimed his video to captains.
Grab that OT, make them pay.
What don't you understand. Paying out 200% means nothing. And yes if pilots didn't pick up OT or work on their days off it would hurt the company more than paying 200%. You are truly lost and you obviously weren't around the last time the Envoy pilot group was Fuqed in the ass. Swayne Martin is shooting himself in the foot and doesn't even realize it. I'd go further to say Swayne Martin and pilots like him are out for themselves. You're not gonna be an FO forever. And if they have plenty of FO's why are they offering OT? You truly are lost and need help understanding your part as a pilot in group of pilots.
I really hope that flow works out for you because it's really gonna suck sitting at Envoy getting paid less than your wholly owned brother and sisters.
06-26-2019, 06:07 PM
#67
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Originally Posted by Houpilot2001
Swayne only aims for one thing....what gets him paid and more followers. Picking up OT (FO or CA) says sure, I'll come in on my day off cause you dont pay me enough, but I need this(because you dont pay me enough).
FYI, in this market, you dont need this. If they need staffing that bad, they need to up staffing (FUPM). Our attrition group is greater than our incoming group. Paying someone extra is a whole lot cheaper than cancellations. They will gladly pay for your day off.
FYI, in this market, you dont need this. If they need staffing that bad, they need to up staffing (FUPM). Our attrition group is greater than our incoming group. Paying someone extra is a whole lot cheaper than cancellations. They will gladly pay for your day off.
"Our attrition group is greater than our incoming group"? Is that why we have grown by 100 pilots in the past 6 months?
For FO's, picking up OT is a great way to get paid more. The flights would get covered no problem, we are overstaffed on the FO side.
They never run out of FO's. So pick up OT and make them pay more for it. And OT doesn't have to be on your day off. Most of my OT is tagged at the beginning or end of a trip.
06-26-2019, 06:08 PM
#68
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Originally Posted by Houpilot2001
Swayne only aims for one thing....what gets him paid and more followers. Picking up OT (FO or CA) says sure, I'll come in on my day off cause you dont pay me enough, but I need this(because you dont pay me enough).
FYI, in this market, you dont need this. If they need staffing that bad, they need to up staffing (FUPM). Our attrition group is greater than our incoming group. Paying someone extra is a whole lot cheaper than cancellations. They will gladly pay for your day off.
FYI, in this market, you dont need this. If they need staffing that bad, they need to up staffing (FUPM). Our attrition group is greater than our incoming group. Paying someone extra is a whole lot cheaper than cancellations. They will gladly pay for your day off.
I feel real sorry for the senior Envoy/Eagle guys who have to deal with FOs and or pilots like this Dera guy. You guys mad such head wind just to take 2 steps back with pilots like him.
06-26-2019, 06:09 PM
#69
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Originally Posted by CafeConLeche
Are you kidding me? PICKING OT HURTS YOUR PILOT GROUP.
What don't you understand. Paying out 200% means nothing. And yes if pilots didn't pick up OT or work on their days off it would hurt the company more than paying 200%. You are truly lost and you obviously weren't around the last time the Envoy pilot group was Fuqed in the ass. Swayne Martin is shooting himself in the foot and doesn't even realize it. I'd go further to say Swayne Martin and pilots like him are out for themselves. You're not gonna be an FO forever. And if they have plenty of FO's why are they offering OT? You truly are lost and need help understanding your part as a pilot in group of pilots.
I really hope that flow works out for you because it's really gonna suck sitting at Envoy getting paid less than your wholly owned brother and sisters.
What don't you understand. Paying out 200% means nothing. And yes if pilots didn't pick up OT or work on their days off it would hurt the company more than paying 200%. You are truly lost and you obviously weren't around the last time the Envoy pilot group was Fuqed in the ass. Swayne Martin is shooting himself in the foot and doesn't even realize it. I'd go further to say Swayne Martin and pilots like him are out for themselves. You're not gonna be an FO forever. And if they have plenty of FO's why are they offering OT? You truly are lost and need help understanding your part as a pilot in group of pilots.
I really hope that flow works out for you because it's really gonna suck sitting at Envoy getting paid less than your wholly owned brother and sisters.
I don't think you understand how open time works, and what it means.
You're saying that when I pick up a trip at 200% that would otherwise be assigned to a reserve next day for 0%, it's better for the company? That really does not compute.
Or get that commuter hotel out of base when you pick up OT out of domicile.
Or even better, during 200%, you can have the company pay for a hotel room in domicile. That surely helps the company too. I guess they collect hotel points for reservations?
Your logic is so flawed I can't even begin to argue with you.
06-26-2019, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Sorry, but your post doesn't make any sense.
I don't think you understand how open time works, and what it means.
You're saying that when I pick up a trip at 200% that would otherwise be assigned to a reserve next day for 0%, it's better for the company? That really does not compute.
Your logic is so flawed I can't even begin to argue with you.
I don't think you understand how open time works, and what it means.
You're saying that when I pick up a trip at 200% that would otherwise be assigned to a reserve next day for 0%, it's better for the company? That really does not compute.
Your logic is so flawed I can't even begin to argue with you.
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