Envoy: The LOWEST paid Wholly Owned.
06-26-2019, 07:07 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by dera
You didn't answer. 150% or 0%. Simple question.
Don't try to justify your choice by the greater good, dera.
Your choice is your choice, whatever.
But "they never run out of FOs" - bull****. Maybe currently in your seat.
06-26-2019, 07:19 PM
#83
In a land of unicorns
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Originally Posted by BigZ
0%
Don't try to justify your choice by the greater good, dera.
Your choice is your choice, whatever.
But "they never run out of FOs" - bull****. Maybe currently in your seat.
Don't try to justify your choice by the greater good, dera.
Your choice is your choice, whatever.
But "they never run out of FOs" - bull****. Maybe currently in your seat.
So the common complaint is that reserves never fly.
The other one is how we are overstaffed with excessive reserves.
Now you're saying they run out of reserves?
Not sure what is going on.
They've ran out of reserves once in my seat this year. How about yours?
06-26-2019, 07:26 PM
#85
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Originally Posted by dera
I see you are a company man. At least you're honest about it.
06-26-2019, 07:38 PM
#86
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Position: Whale FO
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Originally Posted by SomePilotDude
A company man would do exactly as you are. “Please pick up OT and help keep us going.” Drop the act and move on. You’re worthless on these forums and you’ve been called out numerous times.
I mean, think about how delusional you sound: You complain how Envoy is overstaffed. Then you complain how we have way too many reserve pilots. But then you say how no-one shouldn't pick up OT because they run out of reserves.
Schrödinger's Reserve Pilot? Cannot pick up OT because they don't have enough pilots on reserve, while being overstaffed and they have too many reserves?
Sorry, your comments don't make any sense.
06-26-2019, 07:55 PM
#87
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Originally Posted by dera
I'm not. I'm just saying picking up OT isn't doing company any favors. It costs company more. They don't cancel flights because they don't have FO's.
So the common complaint is that reserves never fly.
The other one is how we are overstaffed with excessive reserves.
Now you're saying they run out of reserves?
Not sure what is going on.
They've ran out of reserves once in my seat this year. How about yours?
So the common complaint is that reserves never fly.
The other one is how we are overstaffed with excessive reserves.
Now you're saying they run out of reserves?
Not sure what is going on.
They've ran out of reserves once in my seat this year. How about yours?
Yeah, we’ve had months where they’d zero out on fo reserves 5-6 days a week. At least couple times a week is typical. And yet average flight time was still around 30 hrs per FO, around 50 for CA.
The company would love to trim down the % paid for the OT and take away certain types of OT pick up, but make no mistake, it is cheaper for the company to have the pilots fly on their days off than to have more pilots.
Case in point - look up the Spirit TRO from two years back.
PS Go look at the CRJ reserve list - zeroed out today, 3 avail for tomorrow so far with one turn sitting in the open
06-26-2019, 08:45 PM
#88
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Originally Posted by dera
You didn't answer. 150% or 0%. Simple question.
Wouldn’t it actually be 150% or 100%?
The company did have to actually pay reserve FOs some money, so someone sitting in that right seat has actually been compensated (very poorly compared to other WO) but I wouldn’t say that the flight was operated with $0 cost incurred to filling the right seat.
Let them use the reserves. Even if they never zero out, the company may feel some pressure to bolster the FO side a bit more than what they had, and find that it’s now slightly more difficult to attract applicants (non-cadets/RTP) to the lowest paid WO where management clearly undervalues us.
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06-26-2019, 08:55 PM
#89
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Zeroing out the OT list the second they pop up isn't hurting the company or sticking it to them. It's showing that, even though your companions at PSA and PDT are getting paid more, you're still willing to lower yourself to 8 days a month to fly for less than them. You're telling the company your worth less and you're fine with 8 days off. It also shows how people need to pick it up because they are being paid so little off their normal garuntee. At 150% or 200% OT will never be hurting the company. You are just showing a willingness to be a company man when in return the company walks over you and away from agreements in writing. I'm not gonna tell anyone to pickup or not to pickup OT, but don't pretend you're hurting envoy, you're doing them a favor.
06-26-2019, 09:06 PM
#90
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM
Zeroing out the OT list the second they pop up isn't hurting the company or sticking it to them. It's showing that, even though your companions at PSA and PDT are getting paid more, you're still willing to lower yourself to 8 days a month to fly for less than them. You're telling the company your worth less and you're fine with 8 days off. It also shows how people need to pick it up because they are being paid so little off their normal garuntee. At 150% or 200% OT will never be hurting the company. You are just showing a willingness to be a company man when in return the company walks over you and away from agreements in writing. I'm not gonna tell anyone to pickup or not to pickup OT, but don't pretend you're hurting envoy, you're doing them a favor.
Agreed
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