How many people quit last week?
06-10-2021 | 04:15 PM
#21
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100% correct, and anyone considering Endeavor needs seriously reconsider that decision. The association is actively trying to change that, but look how long the current career progression negotiations took. There are better options, and DGI is just a coin flip.
06-10-2021 | 04:25 PM
#22
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Why did the flow program get moved back to August?
06-10-2021 | 05:32 PM
#24
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So is this basically what envoy did, where “certain” people “flowed” faster, and then everyone after them was metered down more? Except in Endeavors case, no new hires even flow.
that sounds like an absolute worthless load of crap, and we even had ENY-MEC reps advocating to go to endeavor...
that sounds like an absolute worthless load of crap, and we even had ENY-MEC reps advocating to go to endeavor...
I think your reps were advocating that before it was known that the flow does not apply to new hires.
06-10-2021 | 05:39 PM
#25
In a land of unicorns
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From: Whale FO
The Endeavor flow deal went from "damn, thats a good deal" to "wtf are they thinking?" in a matter of a few hours. Now it's just a seniority list flush that has no effect on recruiting.
06-10-2021 | 05:44 PM
#26
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Only the most recent flow agreement included new hires at ENY/EGL. The majority of the different flow deals and arbitration awards only included pilots already on property.
06-10-2021 | 07:17 PM
#28
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I don’t think this was ever about recruiting. This was about Delta being able to fly more regional jets. They figure even without the flow they can fill those RJ flight decks and by taking the most expensive pilots off the top of the seniority list, they can fill them for a lower overall cost. Much like the flow works to push some upward movement of the seniority list, that will do the same at Endeavor, which isn’t as good a recruiting tool as a REAL guaranteed flow, it still has appeal to many, especially at a company like Endeavor that already has a lot going for it.
06-10-2021 | 07:31 PM
#29
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Sounds about right. The less classes they do and the bigger they are, the smaller the flow presence because of how it's structured, so naturally they'll avoid doing classes as long as possible before "kicking it into high gear" with a few huge ones to devalue the flow as much as possible.
06-10-2021 | 10:24 PM
#30
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I can’t understand why AA is projected to hire 1/2 of what United will and 1/3 of what delta will in the next 18 months.
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