Why do people still go to Envoy?
07-23-2019, 09:41 PM
#11
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People generally come to Envoy because they simply don't know any better.
There are some who Envoy serves a specific purpose (non-current military, rotor transition, Expressjet 6 year FOs), but the vast majority of cadets and street hires only know Envoy has flow and more money than they make as a CFI, barely.
Most first year FOs have no clue about how bad our contract is compared to other regionals. They thought Envoy now was better than Republic or Endeavor in 6 months. They don't realize until it is too late that pay, QOL, and career progression are better at many other places.
There are some who Envoy serves a specific purpose (non-current military, rotor transition, Expressjet 6 year FOs), but the vast majority of cadets and street hires only know Envoy has flow and more money than they make as a CFI, barely.
Most first year FOs have no clue about how bad our contract is compared to other regionals. They thought Envoy now was better than Republic or Endeavor in 6 months. They don't realize until it is too late that pay, QOL, and career progression are better at many other places.
08-03-2019, 09:45 AM
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Maybe because live close to DFW and flow.
I am considering a come back after 5 years and Envoy could be a good option since I live 40 minutes away from DFW.
Any updates on current hiring, training backup, equipment out of training, bases for new hires? Training is AQP now I heard, is it good?
Thanks!
I am considering a come back after 5 years and Envoy could be a good option since I live 40 minutes away from DFW.
Any updates on current hiring, training backup, equipment out of training, bases for new hires? Training is AQP now I heard, is it good?
Thanks!
08-03-2019, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Concorde001
Maybe because live close to DFW and flow.
I am considering a come back after 5 years and Envoy could be a good option since I live 40 minutes away from DFW.
Any updates on current hiring, training backup, equipment out of training, bases for new hires? Training is AQP now I heard, is it good?
Thanks!
I am considering a come back after 5 years and Envoy could be a good option since I live 40 minutes away from DFW.
Any updates on current hiring, training backup, equipment out of training, bases for new hires? Training is AQP now I heard, is it good?
Thanks!
145 LGA/JFK. Plan on it.
I did initial on the 175 almost a year ago and it wasn't that bad. I've heard the weaker instructors are on the 145.
Last edited by Varsity; 08-03-2019 at 11:09 AM.
08-03-2019, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
Training isn't good. Probably one of the weakest training departments in the regionals. No line pilots teaching, all PSI's which come from wildly different backgrounds and never flew the 145/175, let alone at Envoy. You won't get DFW unless you're a cadet CFI.
145 LGA/JFK. Plan on it.
I did initial on the 175 almost a year ago and it wasn't that bad. I've heard the weaker instructors are on the 145.
145 LGA/JFK. Plan on it.
I did initial on the 175 almost a year ago and it wasn't that bad. I've heard the weaker instructors are on the 145.
Initial seniority in class is cadets, then 121 by time and then age.
Again very much hit or miss what is offered and composition of the class.
08-03-2019, 04:48 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by Concorde001
Maybe because live close to DFW and flow.
I am considering a come back after 5 years and Envoy could be a good option since I live 40 minutes away from DFW.
Any updates on current hiring, training backup, equipment out of training, bases for new hires? Training is AQP now I heard, is it good?
Thanks!
I am considering a come back after 5 years and Envoy could be a good option since I live 40 minutes away from DFW.
Any updates on current hiring, training backup, equipment out of training, bases for new hires? Training is AQP now I heard, is it good?
Thanks!
Go to Skywest... at least they will pay you for your previous time.
08-03-2019, 06:09 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by Varsity
Training isn't good. Probably one of the weakest training departments in the regionals. No line pilots teaching, all PSI's which come from wildly different backgrounds and never flew the 145/175, let alone at Envoy. You won't get DFW unless you're a cadet CFI.
Training is fine. You won't fail because of it. Most sims are still with line guys teaching. And they will follow the AQP LOA if you fall behind. If you can't make it through, it's 100% all on you.
08-03-2019, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
100% lies. As usual from you.
Training is fine. You won't fail because of it. Most sims are still with line guys teaching. And they will follow the AQP LOA if you fall behind. If you can't make it through, it's 100% all on you.
Training is fine. You won't fail because of it. Most sims are still with line guys teaching. And they will follow the AQP LOA if you fall behind. If you can't make it through, it's 100% all on you.
Also False.
It's basically a self study program. If you've had professional training on a jet anywhere else, it will be abhorrent. If you don't know better, it's just what's normal at envoy, like battered woman syndrome.
08-03-2019, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
It is very much hit and miss. Mostly miss. The first lessons in procedure trainers and sims are all professional sim instructor. Some with a lot of experience some very little. Might or probably not actually flown the plane, but certainly not for Envoy.
Initial seniority in class is cadets, then 121 by time and then age.
Again very much hit or miss what is offered and composition of the class.
Initial seniority in class is cadets, then 121 by time and then age.
Again very much hit or miss what is offered and composition of the class.
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