In my nearly 2 years doing IOE I never had a unsat FO or recommended more hours. It did happen but it wasn’t very common. I had FOs who had about 35+ hours but that was mostly due to planners giving more hours because parts of their trips cancelled. I’ve since flowed not long ago but this was my experience.

 

That's true, if your ioe schedule takes you over 30 it's not a problem but you have to pass line check at the end of your trip.

 

The only reason I came here was the DFW base. Not about that commuting stuff.

 

That's unfortunate Envoy chooses to use that terminology. So they must consider it a failed training event that will go on the PIRA if they are calling it a fail?

 

Not unfortunate because that's not how it works.

Everything goes on your PRIA. Every. Single. Thing. Not just failures. If you get your line check at 25 hours (hardly ever happens because scheduling just doesn't work that way), it's on your PRIA.
If it takes 100 hours, it's on your PRIA.
If you get fired because you can't get your act together, it's on your PRIA, it's just an incomplete IOE with no line check administered.

Almost all FOs do 2 4-day trips for IOE with a line check at the end. 31-35 hours. Some have hit 40 when they got paired with check airmen who fly the more productive trips.

 

Is there any record of this in saber/decs? As a Direct entry captain I got sick my last week of IOE, then when the check ride was rescheduled that was also cancelled (something with check airmen) I did a total of 65 hrs in IOE at completion of my check ride. Anything negative that can go on a PRIA that I should be concerned about? I was never notified of any "failure" or "special tracking" I was actually happy that I had a line for whole month.

 

IDK

I certainly don’t think I’m exceptional by any measure and most of my IOE and checks have been completed when I hit minimum hours. One had an extra leg to it. Most of those in my classes have been the same way.

 

If you didn’t get a training report stating that you were UNSAT, then nothing negative will be on your PRIA.

 

To stay in topic, no more pink slip? It’s now a Unsat also. Not much differentiation amongst Unsat’s in your PRIA records. So an Unsat if any sort while still in the training department will now really hurt our PRIA & PRIA employability/training records. A Unsat simulator event must be disclosed as a training failure filling out some apps Mainline/LLC’s. Plus training record reviews by those carriers to verify what was disclosed in your apps as valid. If not disclosed as a failure can leave one unemployed after quitting.

For the NH’s coming for the flow, think about this what happens when UNSAT increases (which no data is published for at Envoy for good reason).

Now things are making sense why so many don’t have their apps out on property! Flow has been transformed from a convenience to necessity for many. A back pocket flow somehow turns into a front pocket need out of fear that apps are no longer competitive for any other mainline/LLC carrier to seriously take a look at you except via AAL flow thru.

Talk about a retention tool if needed by higher level mgmt Rook’s, Bishop’s, and Knight’s (chess pieces if needs be). No bueno come to think of it.

 

This is 100% the same with any 121/135 air carrier who has to participate in PRIA. This is not just Envoy.