The regionals will cease to exist, no pilots as they are all hired away! Ah, yeah, heard this before. Delta,United, AA will never have a lack of applicants, or Fed EX or UPS. I don’t come on here a lot, but I’ve been through all this crap before. I flowed over 5.5 yrs ago. Like any average dude trying to get out it was tough. Only good thing through all of this was I was never furloughed, I was young enough when I came over, I still had 24yrs to go on the other side till retirement.

I've worked with enough guys to know, that it’s still hard to get on else where. Plenty of former military guys I’ve flown with took 2/3 interviews else where before they were picked up. As a civilian, it’s even harder. So this talk of lifer crap, I’m gonna get out etc, etc, you don’t know. Throw it all at the fan. I tried before I flowed when hiring started again. Years, bazillion hours of PIC a CKA letter and a job fair, and crickets. So you really don’t know. Good luck, I hope this time around it’s different for everyone.

 

Posts like this terrify me. And it’s not uncommon. People bust their butt and do everything with a clean record but still nothing. What gives?


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What gives? The airline industry had 1.5 lost decades. (2001-2014).

Multiple bad events set the tone, and people accepted it as the new normal. We'll find out if that or the 'shortage' holds true.

 

I think we all like to imagine that merit has a bigger role than it really does because we can control it easily.

Sure, hours and record count, but basically every girl I went to flight school with has gone right seat to right seat (or almost, picked up right after upgrade) to the majors. The biggest difference between any two pilots isn't hours or record, it's softs (including diversity based) or networking.

The people I know that don't have any obvious +++ softs either have a "mentor"/relative in the hiring/management side of the mainline shop or bounced off another outfit, like Alaska, for a year or two first. People deny my experience strenuously sometimes because it offends their sense of equity or something I guess, but I can't be the only one who has noticed this pattern.

 

This is very much true.

So much you can’t control. I can’t believe the number of people who think as soon as I have “XXX” I’ll be out of here to (insert major airline here). Reality is much different.

 

yup, the 1 out of 20 pilots are taking 100% of the jobs. That’s why when you see pictures of new hire classes at majors, it’s ALL women in those pictures. Get over yourself dude.

 

No one is saying that, calm down and take a breath. Generally at major NH classes the biggest demo is ex military, we're talking about the small minority of the NH class that gets hired OTS with no military and outside any kind of flow or preferential interview scheme. In competing for these seats, people with strong softs are extremely dominant.

 

Lol. Dude, stop with the victim complex. Stop making excuses which are verifiably not true, even off the street hires favor white males. And that’s because the majority of pilots are also white males, it’s a numbers thing. Just stop pretending to be such a victim in life, you’re not one. Take some responsibility.

 

naw, that’s just your imagination speaking…or your bigotry.

 

Look at it from the other side of the coin, what would news headlines look like if they posted an article every time there was a white male flight deck crew? Would you even see any other news? Hah

also, and this has been stated numerous times, the United program is not saying they are only hiring minorities. You can still interview and get the job, and just because of the sheer numbers of current pilots it will still be white male. But their ground up zero to hero program? That’s what they are discussing, which won’t even be the bulk of their hires. So that’s still less than half of a half. All you have to do is look at current new hire classes at majors and you’ll see who still remains the majority. Look at all the recent attrition at envoy, was it all the women and black pilots? I don’t think so. The fact is, at the end of the day when you go to class at a major the majority of the class will still be white males. So stop playing victim the numbers do not support your claims, but the flight deck is an echo chamber and a great deal of you want to keep playing victim.