Glad we all waited so long for this turd.

Part of a post I made from another thread. Worth putting here in my opinion.

“On another note, I am highly disappointed with the union and their acceptance of this offer without putting it to a vote. You all should contact your reps and let them know you expect them to do just that.

If they don’t, I’m sure their decision can be legally challenged by the membership. Just like Envoy management didn’t have authorization from AA on the AIP, it sounds as if the union doesn’t have our authorization on this, which more than meets the threshold of “substantial changes” to the Agreement.

This is a total surrender and a benefit to the few, to the detriment of the many, yet again. Shameful, just shameful, and embarrassing.

“Company agrees to discuss reserve rules”. Utterly and completely shameful.

Good luck with that.”

Not even worth reading. The union here is shameful and feckless.

What’s all this crap about if they can’t pay us retro pay from June 1 they will pay us 20hours for line holders and 15 hours for reserve...

...literally makes no sense. I’m sure it isn’t to our advantage

Deceptive Captain Pay to a new hire
 

With pay bands still intact (section 3.B.), no captain will ever get top pay (i.e. 175 / LRJ / Pay Band C) until they’re about a year or so out from flow.

Anyone considering Envoy needs to know when they upgrade, regardless of equipment, they’ll only get 145 / SRJ CA pay currently until they’re about a year and a half (at best) away from flow.

Do you get to vote on it or is it a done deal for you guys?

The year is true now but as the flow slows it will take someone longer than a year from getting on large RJ rates to flow so at least there's that?

It's already been signed behind closed doors by the union

I actually like the pay the banding concept in practice (blended would be better). I do hate it that APC shows the rates incorrectly such that even people on property that do not really pay attention to the contract assume APC is correct.

:mad:

Thank goodness, you bunch might have voted down a no concessions pay raise.