Originally Posted by highfarfast
(Post 2860362)
I actually like the pay the banding concept in practice (blended would be better). I do hate it that APC shows the rates incorrectly such that even people on property that do not really pay attention to the contract assume APC is correct.
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You can thank alpa for that too. Mec gave it to them and we got nothing in return other than a screw job.
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Originally Posted by inevitableneb
(Post 2860413)
Not a concession. Company has had the right to pull it with 30 days notice. They didn't need to ask anybody
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Originally Posted by WillFlyForeFood
(Post 2860418)
But would they have pulled it if it wasn't for this "agreement" that was a recruiting tool, they probably wouldn't have been able to keep ppl coming in the doors without the agreement and getting rid of the bonus...
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Originally Posted by inevitableneb
(Post 2860419)
I don't know what to tell you guys, you now have contractual rates vs. company discresstion bonus. Sorry
On the other hand, that's something for the pilot group to decide, not the MEC. When 9E made the switch from bonuses to pay rates, as badly as our MEC wanted the change, the 9E pilot group got to vote on it first. |
Originally Posted by inevitableneb
(Post 2860419)
I don't know what to tell you guys, you now have contractual rates vs. company discresstion bonus. Sorry
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM
(Post 2860432)
It is a raise when you do the math...
Have you even factored in OT, critical coverage, junior man pay, deadhead pay, 401k match, unemployment benefits, etc? |
Originally Posted by WillFlyForeFood
(Post 2860437)
That's why I said some win some lose, I factored in min guarantee only. I realize you now get more in your 401k. We have pilots that don't pick up OT, they have families and want to be home as much as possible. Some guys don't get juniormanned, deadhead pay means squat if you're reserve. I could keep going. Again this does help some. But others it doesn't. So it's almost a wash. It's a pay enhancement. Not a raise.
If you want to say this deal is unfair compared to the original AIP I agree. But I don't understand how anyone thought our pay scale and bonus restructures would be any different than PSA/Piedmonts, which is the entire reason why the union wanted things such as sick time payout, more days off on reserve, etc in lieu of PSA having a higher blended rate. It seems like a lot of people on here have a poor understanding of our pay banding vs PSAs blended scale. |
Originally Posted by ninerdriver
(Post 2860426)
On one hand, there's this. Contractual rates beat discretionary bonuses.
On the other hand, that's something for the pilot group to decide, not the MEC. When 9E made the switch from bonuses to pay rates, as badly as our MEC wanted the change, the 9E pilot group got to vote on it first. |
Should've been a pilot vote. Really would like for the MEC to tell the company that they exceeded their authority.
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