I don’t really get your point regarding PSA flying both large and small. Here we have guys getting paid to fly large and are flying small and we have guys getting paid to fly small and are flying large.

And regarding APC, no one reads the fine print on every profile. But they do see those big tables that say 145 Captain and 175 Captain.

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I think it works well in the regional model where you’d be seat locked if you jumped from one model to the other anyway for pretty close to the duration of your time as CA in the current hiring climate.

I don’t think it would work well at a mainline company with narrow bodies and wide bodies and careers spanning decades. No. But that doesn’t describe Envoy at all.

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PSA has 3 planes, the CRJ 200, 700, and 900. They all share the same type rating and training. So a pilot can go back and forth from planes on each trip they are placed on. This is why their blended rates make sense since all their pilots fly both the small and large RJs.

Yes, we have pilots flying the 145 for 175 rates and vice versa, but the actual number of captains making a higher rate is the same. Our C scale is based on the number of pilots required to staff the large RJs on property, and that number is correlated to the amount of captains at the top of the seniorty list. As we bring more 175s and (hopefully) get rid of 140s/145s on property, the more captains will be on the C scale.

Pay banding sucks. It's only good for the company. Pay raises are better than retention bonus

Those who are complaining about pay banding are not looking at the big picture. Either way it would work out that roughly the top 500 guys would be making the large jet pay and the rest small jet pay. Only if it were paid on actually aircraft, senior guys in NYC and MIA would start choosing to commute to DFW and ORD for the 175 and $10 an hour more pay, pushing junior guys to end up unwillingly commuting to NYC. The junior people who are in the 175 complaining about this right now would be stuck on the 145 with 5 leg days in broken planes AND small jet pay. Yeah if tomorrow it changed to pay actual jet vs seniority guys who are within a year of flowing wouldn’t move planes for pay, but over a years time the seniority/aircraft/base ratio would change and it would absolutely shake out to be a worse situation for all involved.

I’m new here so maybe I’m way off, but wouldn’t a blended rate solve everything? We all do the same work regardless of how big the jet is, so I really don’t see the need to pay somebody more money because they have an extra 26 seats.

So, all those guys who could bid anywhere else but NY, but still choose NY, because they probably live in NY, would choose to commute to DFW just for $10/hr. Mind you that $10/hr gain would be wiped out by one missed commute. There are less than 100 people who could possibly do what you are suggesting, and they are giving up their no commute and first pick of lines just for $10/hr.

Only about 150 of the pilots making pay band C actually fly the 175. Most of the pilots getting it are the DFW and ORD 145 lineholders with weekends and holidays off. There are also a large chunk of them wandering the hallways in Irving.

What pay banding does is keep the majority of 175 pilots paid at 145 rates while the company gets to advertise higher pay that doesn't really exist and keeps the majority of guys flying the line paid less than PSA on both airframes.

Hands off my pay you newb!!! You sound like a socialist! Seniority based pay is where it’s at

Why aren’t FO’s pay banded then?

Read my post right before yours as to why PSAs blended rate makes sense for them and not us.

And every airline your pay will be based on the the size of your aircraft and the number of seats it has. If you don't like that idea, then you should get out now.