Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2876717)

Not necessarily on the hook for PBS per se. PBS was already being negotiated prior to the last concessionary TA. The TA and resultant LOA stipulates that the PBS negotiations would be suspended until the 41st delivery. At that point, the PBS Working Group would restart and finalize the negotiations of the specifics of PBS. Once that process starts, they have 120 days to finalize it. Once the details are hashed out, the pilot group would vote on whether or not to green light PBS. In the event PBS is voted down by the pilot group, the company gets 8-9 million dollars in concessions elsewhere. So in essence, should the company decide to dust off this part of the concessionary contract, the pilot group can accept PBS or take significant concessions. But in this environment of looking everywhere and anywhere to find pilots and throwing more and more money to try to fix the staffing woes, the company knows they cannot come after the pilot group for concessions. That's why PBS hasn't been brought up by the company. But they absolutely can pull that trigger at any time.

Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2876751)

So as stated, if the company wants pbs they will get it. We can’t afford 9 million in concessions.

Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 2876756)

That's about $3600 per pilot. Over how long? A year it might hurt. Spread between now and 2024 that's $900/year.

Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2876759)

Pretty sure it’s a year as the cost for line bidding doesn’t just go away after one year.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2876769)

Ok let see envoy do that, news on forums wouln be envoy took 8 million in pay away from pilots, let's see how that recruitment goes then. At that point the mec should sue envoy on the bonuses being paid to new hires to pay accordingly to the 8 million.

Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2876717)

Not necessarily on the hook for PBS per se. PBS was already being negotiated prior to the last concessionary TA. The TA and resultant LOA stipulates that the PBS negotiations would be suspended until the 41st delivery. At that point, the PBS Working Group would restart and finalize the negotiations of the specifics of PBS. Once that process starts, they have 120 days to finalize it. Once the details are hashed out, the pilot group would vote on whether or not to green light PBS. In the event PBS is voted down by the pilot group, the company gets 8-9 million dollars in concessions elsewhere. So in essence, should the company decide to dust off this part of the concessionary contract, the pilot group can accept PBS or take significant concessions. But in this environment of looking everywhere and anywhere to find pilots and throwing more and more money to try to fix the staffing woes, the company knows they cannot come after the pilot group for concessions. That's why PBS hasn't been brought up by the company. But they absolutely can pull that trigger at any time.

Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2876693)

Nope, ever since the 41st 175 we’ve been on the hook for PBS is my understanding. The LOA stipulates ALPA’s involvement in the implementation, but where are you seeing a pilot veto vote?

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2876775)

5 million.....