UnprotectdPilot

Increase flow significantly for PBS: yay or nay?

NoValueAviator

We already conceded PBS, management just hasn’t done it. anything we can get for it would be a win I guess.

Squirrel27

You should talk to your union reps and not negotiate on a public forum.

NoValueAviator

You mean the union reps that stabbed us in the back on pay “raise” while everyone was screaming to hold out for the AIP?

Squirrel27

So, what, we're never going to engage them again in anything? Some of them voted no. The others made a decision that is either the right one because AAG was never going to give us anything more, or was wrong. We'll never know.

Telling management what we're willing to accept for something on this forum undercuts and leverage our union may have in the future. The union "negotiators" are already at a disadvantage. Why hurt them even more?

NoValueAviator

I’ll engage them because I don’t have any choice, but PBS is a settled issue. Company has the right to do PBS and can implement it whenever they want.

buddies8

Only 2 voted no and they are ord reps.
So as the troll from mgt that started this thread is trying to blackmail you into something you will regret.
Keep on selling out for that brass ring, eventually there is a price to pay and from what I've seen, you will capitulate whether you are at envoy or aa. There is no insulation the bill will come due to pay.

moon

They can NOT implement it at any point. There is testing that would have to go on and then a pilot vote. There's repercussions for voting No as a group, but that doesn't mean they can implement it whenever they want.

Stupid thread though should be deleted.

NoValueAviator

Nope, ever since the 41st 175 we’ve been on the hook for PBS is my understanding. The LOA stipulates ALPA’s involvement in the implementation, but where are you seeing a pilot veto vote?

bigtime209

Not necessarily on the hook for PBS per se. PBS was already being negotiated prior to the last concessionary TA. The TA and resultant LOA stipulates that the PBS negotiations would be suspended until the 41st delivery. At that point, the PBS Working Group would restart and finalize the negotiations of the specifics of PBS. Once that process starts, they have 120 days to finalize it. Once the details are hashed out, the pilot group would vote on whether or not to green light PBS. In the event PBS is voted down by the pilot group, the company gets 8-9 million dollars in concessions elsewhere. So in essence, should the company decide to dust off this part of the concessionary contract, the pilot group can accept PBS or take significant concessions. But in this environment of looking everywhere and anywhere to find pilots and throwing more and more money to try to fix the staffing woes, the company knows they cannot come after the pilot group for concessions. That's why PBS hasn't been brought up by the company. But they absolutely can pull that trigger at any time.