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Old 08-26-2019, 12:22 PM
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Yep- guarantee 30/mo flow for the entire pilot group and I’ll gladly adopt PBS.
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Yep- guarantee 30/mo flow for the entire pilot group and I’ll gladly adopt PBS.
Nope. If you’re going to throw it out there, have to make it MUCH higher number. Say 40 and work up from there.
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AAG has a ratio based flow for all three carriers that is relatively on parity with one another. In order to change the flow for one you’ll have to change it for them all. This ratio goes into effect at envoy after the L10-11 group is gone.
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Yep- guarantee 30/mo flow for the entire pilot group and I’ll gladly adopt PBS.
Of course you would, your that type.
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Nope. If you’re going to throw it out there, have to make it MUCH higher number. Say 40 and work up from there.
Hard 50% of all new hires, no ifs ands or buts.....
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No forced upgrade requirements
No withholding for any reason whatsoever. That language has proven for 19 years to invite abuse, reinterpretation, and outright CBA violations. Want to “offer” to allow a pilot to stay, protect their seniority as if they flowed, and double their pay while TDY to Envoy.
Oh, and allow flows the option to return during their AA probation year if it doesn’t work out over there.

Just go when your seniority can hold transfer

Oh, and stop doing any bandaids for ANYTHING ever until reserve is fixed and industry leading.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader View Post
AAG has a ratio based flow for all three carriers that is relatively on parity with one another. In order to change the flow for one you’ll have to change it for them all. This ratio goes into effect at envoy after the L10-11 group is gone.
And at that point, the total number flowing to AA goes down. New people are failing to see this. It devalues the flow because there will be more off the street hiring.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
Hard 50% of all new hires, no ifs ands or buts.....
Letters don’t count
P-file doesn’t matter
No forced upgrade requirements
No withholding for any reason whatsoever. That language has proven for 19 years to invite abuse, reinterpretation, and outright CBA violations. Want to “offer” to allow a pilot to stay, protect their seniority as if they flowed, and double their pay while TDY to Envoy.
Oh, and allow flows the option to return during their AA probation year if it doesn’t work out over there.

Just go when your seniority can hold transfer

Oh, and stop doing any bandaids for ANYTHING ever until reserve is fixed and industry leading.
They have no incentive to do any of this. Zero.
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They have no incentive to do any of this. Zero.
Stop giving bandaids and they do...
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Old 08-26-2019, 07:53 PM
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Stop giving bandaids and they do...
It's hard when we have a 10 year contract with very weak language.
I wonder who signed up on that sh*t.
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:00 AM
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So you want to flow back with seniority kept at envoy. Oh mgt loves this thread, just to watch how you sell out.
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