Increase Flow in Exchange for PBS
08-28-2019 | 08:03 PM
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Well, there are guys from all three carriers that have flowed and had issues in AA training or while on probation. **** of the wrong person and you’re done. The PDT and PSA guys are allowed to return to their previous status.... kinda like when you upgrade, if you don’t finish you can return to FO. It’s An insurance policy for if things don’t go well.
Just something for discussion. I’m not saying I favor it, in fact I don’t.
Just something for discussion. I’m not saying I favor it, in fact I don’t.
Don’t know about PDT, but at PSA it’s for training only. Once you passed IOE you’re on your own. To my knowledge there is no one who has had to take advantage of this provision.
We have had guys fired during probation, and the company says they can be rehired at the bottom of the seniority list. To my knowledge no one has done that, either.
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08-29-2019 | 04:14 AM
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Yow want to flow then flow we owe you nothing after you flow. You got your guaranteed job at aa, now blow. Oh by the way, envoy is not going to give you that flowback protection you seek, why, well increases flow time since you waisted a slot, increases reserve time since you came back and increases captain upgrade time all bad for recruiting. If you cant make it at american it really is to bad for you, but dont ask the others to suffer for your inability.
08-29-2019 | 05:12 AM
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Yow want to flow then flow we owe you nothing after you flow. You got your guaranteed job at aa, now blow. Oh by the way, envoy is not going to give you that flowback protection you seek, why, well increases flow time since you waisted a slot, increases reserve time since you came back and increases captain upgrade time all bad for recruiting. If you cant make it at american it really is to bad for you, but dont ask the others to suffer for your inability.
The negative impact of this on the Envoy pilot group would be next to nothing but would be an nice backup for the unexpected. I would say there would have to be restrictions on it, like it cant be due to HR issues, personality conflicts etc.
08-29-2019 | 05:25 AM
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Yow want to flow then flow we owe you nothing after you flow. You got your guaranteed job at aa, now blow. Oh by the way, envoy is not going to give you that flowback protection you seek, why, well increases flow time since you waisted a slot, increases reserve time since you came back and increases captain upgrade time all bad for recruiting. If you cant make it at american it really is to bad for you, but dont ask the others to suffer for your inability.
But I agree don't give away unrestricted flow-back unless you got something really valuable in exchange. But training-failure return should be a given, some regionals have had that for many years.
08-29-2019 | 05:56 AM
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Seems harsh. I mean we are talking about less than 1% most likely that would need this protection but sure would be nice to have. What if you get over there and your spouse gets terminally ill or something while you are on probation?
The negative impact of this on the Envoy pilot group would be next to nothing but would be an nice backup for the unexpected. I would say there would have to be restrictions on it, like it cant be due to HR issues, personality conflicts etc.
The negative impact of this on the Envoy pilot group would be next to nothing but would be an nice backup for the unexpected. I would say there would have to be restrictions on it, like it cant be due to HR issues, personality conflicts etc.
Best bet is to get hired elsewhere if at all possible, UA, DL, SW, etc.
08-29-2019 | 09:44 AM
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Yeah you have issues. Me a mgt troll? Haha ok “buddy”. Im going to end my interactions with you on this topic as you have a clearly personal interest in this topic, most likely what the above poster said and won’t have a fair discussion on the validity of either side.
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08-29-2019 | 09:45 AM
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If AA would terminate you for that, it definitely shows it is finally on an even playing field with Envoy. I guess it goes along with AA's plummeting product offerings and nasty customer service. They want to have a standard product across their regionals to match with mainline.
Best bet is to get hired elsewhere if at all possible, UA, DL, SW, etc.
Best bet is to get hired elsewhere if at all possible, UA, DL, SW, etc.
08-29-2019 | 12:51 PM
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