Increase Flow in Exchange for PBS
08-27-2019, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
It's hard when we have a 10 year contract with very weak language.
I wonder who signed up on that sh*t.
I wonder who signed up on that sh*t.
back then we used to let pilots vote.
It’s not hard to say no to bandaids LOA’s....
08-27-2019, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
So you want to flow back with seniority kept at envoy. Oh mgt loves this thread, just to watch how you sell out.
08-28-2019, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
Sorry. Not waiting any capital on flow back provision. You leave your on your own. Those are the hard facts of life. You want flow back then give double pay to those who are still here.
That seems fair.
That seems fair.
Just something for discussion. I’m not saying I favor it, in fact I don’t.
08-28-2019, 11:59 AM
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Then dont flow. Your problems when you leave are just that yours not everyone at envoy. Jeez, aa trng is easy, it all up to you. But we must take care of snowflakes, but there is always summer and snow melts.
No one here should be harmed because you(generally speaking) have issues when you flow. If you want, bottom of the list, no credit for prior seniority for pay or bidding, but we will give you dec, if envoy hires you.
No one here should be harmed because you(generally speaking) have issues when you flow. If you want, bottom of the list, no credit for prior seniority for pay or bidding, but we will give you dec, if envoy hires you.
08-28-2019, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Well, there are guys from all three carriers that have flowed and had issues in AA training or while on probation. **** of the wrong person and you’re done. The PDT and PSA guys are allowed to return to their previous status.... kinda like when you upgrade, if you don’t finish you can return to FO. It’s An insurance policy for if things don’t go well.
Just something for discussion. I’m not saying I favor it, in fact I don’t.
Just something for discussion. I’m not saying I favor it, in fact I don’t.
08-28-2019, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
It was discussed by the MEC in 2017. It was not favored then. Don't know if it's been brought up since.
The other things I listed, would all be good IMHO.
08-28-2019, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
Then dont flow. Your problems when you leave are just that yours not everyone at envoy. Jeez, aa trng is easy, it all up to you. But we must take care of snowflakes, but there is always summer and snow melts.
No one here should be harmed because you(generally speaking) have issues when you flow. If you want, bottom of the list, no credit for prior seniority for pay or bidding, but we will give you dec, if envoy hires you.
No one here should be harmed because you(generally speaking) have issues when you flow. If you want, bottom of the list, no credit for prior seniority for pay or bidding, but we will give you dec, if envoy hires you.
I agree on unlimited flow back, if you're going to give that better get something in return.
But every regional should have a no questions asked return policy. You can come back for up to say 15 months, losing only the seniority which progressed in your absence.
That's only reasonable given the nature of pilot career progression.
It's good for pilots because it promotes movement off the top... I know numerous regional lifers who won't go because their family needs the income... they simply can't take a chance on being that 5% who wash out for whatever reason. And the old guys are at greater risk. I'll admit it was nerve racking when I did it, but for me the stakes were not financial ruin but rather I would have to get a real job which I have the credentials for. But the thought of having to do that was nerve racking.
08-28-2019, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Very short sighted.
I agree on unlimited flow back, if you're going to give that better get something in return.
But every regional should have a no questions asked return policy. You can come back for up to say 15 months, losing only the seniority which progressed in your absence.
That's only reasonable given the nature of pilot career progression.
It's good for pilots because it promotes movement off the top... I know numerous regional lifers who won't go because their family needs the income... they simply can't take a chance on being that 5% who wash out for whatever reason. And the old guys are at greater risk. I'll admit it was nerve racking when I did it, but for me the stakes were not financial ruin but rather I would have to get a real job which I have the credentials for. But the thought of having to do that was nerve racking.
I agree on unlimited flow back, if you're going to give that better get something in return.
But every regional should have a no questions asked return policy. You can come back for up to say 15 months, losing only the seniority which progressed in your absence.
That's only reasonable given the nature of pilot career progression.
It's good for pilots because it promotes movement off the top... I know numerous regional lifers who won't go because their family needs the income... they simply can't take a chance on being that 5% who wash out for whatever reason. And the old guys are at greater risk. I'll admit it was nerve racking when I did it, but for me the stakes were not financial ruin but rather I would have to get a real job which I have the credentials for. But the thought of having to do that was nerve racking.
If you're afraid to go to American, you should really just stay at Envoy.
No flow backs.
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