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rickair7777 08-30-2019 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by JustAsking (Post 2878870)
I heard envoy pilots who fail training at AA get to flowback to Mesa

That right there would really motivate people to study hard!

dvtpilot 08-30-2019 12:01 PM

So THATS how we are getting a west coast base, via outsourcing to Mesa!

ninerdriver 08-30-2019 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by JustAsking (Post 2878870)
I heard envoy pilots who fail training at AA get to flowback to Mesa

Don't forget the AA DUI flow to Mesa, too. Whoever originally posted that one deserves a medal.

Edit: found it!
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/mesa-airlines/118814-rumor-mesa-buying-american.html

highfarfast 08-30-2019 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2879437)
Don't forget the AA DUI flow to Mesa, too. Whoever originally posted that one deserves a medal.

Edit: found it!
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...-american.html

This forum needs a 'like' button. Great find.

boiler07 09-01-2019 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2878426)
Personally, I’d rather the other two end it, and not add it here.

HERE? I'm sorry, did I miss the announcement where they reversed your termination?

Cyio 09-01-2019 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by boiler07 (Post 2879991)
HERE? I'm sorry, did I miss the announcement where they reversed your termination?

Old news. He is still a valuable source of info.

MEGAFUPM 09-02-2019 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by boiler07 (Post 2879991)
HERE? I'm sorry, did I miss the announcement where they reversed your termination?

https://youtu.be/RUFT35S7Jb4

buddies8 09-02-2019 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2878753)
Yeah you have issues. Me a mgt troll? Haha ok “buddy”. Im going to end my interactions with you on this topic as you have a clearly personal interest in this topic, most likely what the above poster said and won’t have a fair discussion on the validity of either side.

The reason I responded like that is because you may not know the door you will open. Last time we had flowback provision for furloughed pilots, they were only able flow back as many as had flowed, that was 125 pilots but the loop holes sent back 500 flow backs back as captains with seniority for pay.

To be honest what you ask does not effect me in any way but will be a detriment to junior pilots. There is no way you will have enough guarantees to protect envoy pilots from mgt abuse of what you ask for. It would be just another recruitment tool.

bigtime209 09-02-2019 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2880270)
The reason I responded like that is because you may not know the door you will open. Last time we had flowback provision for furloughed pilots, they were only able flow back as many as had flowed, that was 125 pilots but the loop holes sent back 500 flow backs back as captains with seniority for pay.

To be honest what you ask does not effect me in any way but will be a detriment to junior pilots. There is no way you will have enough guarantees to protect envoy pilots from mgt abuse of what you ask for. It would be just another recruitment tool.

Honestly, what the other WO have are apples and oranges when talking about flow back provision. It’s not a flow back in the sense of what existed years ago. All it entails is that when a pilot flows, they are placed on a 90 day leave of absence from their carrier. That way if any issues pop up during training, they return from the leave and start working the old gig again. Beyond 90 days, they’re SOL.

rickair7777 09-02-2019 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2880434)
Honestly, what the other WO have are apples and oranges when talking about flow back provision. It’s not a flow back in the sense of what existed years ago. All it entails is that when a pilot flows, they are placed on a 90 day leave of absence from their carrier. That way if any issues pop up during training, they return from the leave and start working the old gig again. Beyond 90 days, they’re SOL.

Make it completion of IOE. If they get canned after that, probably their own damn fault.


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