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29Eleven 08-26-2019 12:22 PM

Yep- guarantee 30/mo flow for the entire pilot group and I’ll gladly adopt PBS.

pitchattitude 08-26-2019 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by 29Eleven (Post 2876919)
Yep- guarantee 30/mo flow for the entire pilot group and I’ll gladly adopt PBS.

Nope. If you’re going to throw it out there, have to make it MUCH higher number. Say 40 and work up from there.

MD-11Loader 08-26-2019 01:05 PM

AAG has a ratio based flow for all three carriers that is relatively on parity with one another. In order to change the flow for one you’ll have to change it for them all. This ratio goes into effect at envoy after the L10-11 group is gone.

buddies8 08-26-2019 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by 29Eleven (Post 2876919)
Yep- guarantee 30/mo flow for the entire pilot group and I’ll gladly adopt PBS.

Of course you would, your that type.

Cujo665 08-26-2019 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2876928)
Nope. If you’re going to throw it out there, have to make it MUCH higher number. Say 40 and work up from there.

Hard 50% of all new hires, no ifs ands or buts.....
Letters don’t count
P-file doesn’t matter
No forced upgrade requirements
No withholding for any reason whatsoever. That language has proven for 19 years to invite abuse, reinterpretation, and outright CBA violations. Want to “offer” to allow a pilot to stay, protect their seniority as if they flowed, and double their pay while TDY to Envoy.
Oh, and allow flows the option to return during their AA probation year if it doesn’t work out over there.

Just go when your seniority can hold transfer

Oh, and stop doing any bandaids for ANYTHING ever until reserve is fixed and industry leading.

pitchattitude 08-26-2019 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2876949)
AAG has a ratio based flow for all three carriers that is relatively on parity with one another. In order to change the flow for one you’ll have to change it for them all. This ratio goes into effect at envoy after the L10-11 group is gone.

And at that point, the total number flowing to AA goes down. New people are failing to see this. It devalues the flow because there will be more off the street hiring.

Varsity 08-26-2019 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2876971)
Hard 50% of all new hires, no ifs ands or buts.....
Letters don’t count
P-file doesn’t matter
No forced upgrade requirements
No withholding for any reason whatsoever. That language has proven for 19 years to invite abuse, reinterpretation, and outright CBA violations. Want to “offer” to allow a pilot to stay, protect their seniority as if they flowed, and double their pay while TDY to Envoy.
Oh, and allow flows the option to return during their AA probation year if it doesn’t work out over there.

Just go when your seniority can hold transfer

Oh, and stop doing any bandaids for ANYTHING ever until reserve is fixed and industry leading.

They have no incentive to do any of this. Zero.

Cujo665 08-26-2019 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2876976)
They have no incentive to do any of this. Zero.

Stop giving bandaids and they do...

dera 08-26-2019 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2877121)
Stop giving bandaids and they do...

It's hard when we have a 10 year contract with very weak language.
I wonder who signed up on that sh*t.

buddies8 08-27-2019 04:00 AM

So you want to flow back with seniority kept at envoy. Oh mgt loves this thread, just to watch how you sell out.


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