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NoValueAviator 01-20-2020 06:02 AM

You can drop anything you want at Spirit? That's a real difference, imo. I already don't have enough time to enjoy the ****ty stipend I earn here. Can't imagine spending AA bux in 2-3 days between trips without an avaricious trophy wife or something.

THKooj 01-20-2020 11:16 AM

Putting your career on the line with an outfit like Spirit isn't the smartest thing in the world. Most especially if you are already at Envoy and have the flow in your back pocket. I wouldn't want to be there when the next recession or downturn hits. They don't have many pilots and you could easily find yourself furlough fodder. At Envoy you have the guaranteed job with AA and I can't figure out why anyone would leave that behind.

pitchattitude 01-20-2020 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2960587)
Putting your career on the line with an outfit like Spirit isn't the smartest thing in the world. Most especially if you are already at Envoy and have the flow in your back pocket. I wouldn't want to be there when the next recession or downturn hits. They don't have many pilots and you could easily find yourself furlough fodder. At Envoy you have the guaranteed job with AA and I can't figure out why anyone would leave that behind.

Because you are looking at the world through KoolAid colored glasses and trying to sell a flow on smoke and mirrors voodoo math.

Just like in elementary school. If you can’t show the math, you get no credit.

THKooj 01-20-2020 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2960244)
Other than reserves... yes, they can. Like I said, I’m not an AA fan boy but if 4/5 year guys over there have the option to upgrade or fly Europe/Asia on the 777/787 it’s news to me. Just want guys to get the facts straight. If you’re enamored with spirit and frontier... I’d suggest working there. It really makes no difference to me.

Exactly, you are hitting a lot of good points here. Yeah, about those 777s at Spirit. Hmmmm…..

Squirrel27 01-20-2020 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2960587)
Putting your career on the line with an outfit like Spirit isn't the smartest thing in the world. Most especially if you are already at Envoy and have the flow in your back pocket. I wouldn't want to be there when the next recession or downturn hits. They don't have many pilots and you could easily find yourself furlough fodder. At Envoy you have the guaranteed job with AA and I can't figure out why anyone would leave that behind.


The people at Spirit and Frontier actually believe their system will be the most resilient during the next recession. Spirit certainly did better than the legacies last time around.

When the price of oil goes up, do you want to spread that cost around an average of 80 passengers, or 186 passengers per flight?

Time will tell.

Silver02ex 01-20-2020 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2960587)
I wouldn't want to be there when the next recession or downturn hits. They don't have many pilots and you could easily find yourself furlough fodder. At Envoy you have the guaranteed job with AA and I can't figure out why anyone would leave that behind.

Here's some facts for you and not just "what i think is going to happen." Like I said before, Spirit has proven what it can do during the recession, they came out stronger. In the 2010 Spirit pilot got a new contract, and In Nov 2011 they ordered 75 Airbus.
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/pres...mily-jets.html

What did American do in Nov 2011? A Bankruptcy!

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/busines...nto-bankruptcy

Excargodog 01-20-2020 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2960587)
Putting your career on the line with an outfit like Spirit isn't the smartest thing in the world. Most especially if you are already at Envoy and have the flow in your back pocket. I wouldn't want to be there when the next recession or downturn hits. They don't have many pilots and you could easily find yourself furlough fodder. At Envoy you have the guaranteed job with AA and I can't figure out why anyone would leave that behind.


https://i.ibb.co/QQm6WG8/2-E40-B63-A...5405-C7-F6.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/M8617GK/BC0-AEBE3-4...7-A6-CD1-B.jpg


Seriously, dude. AA has a long term debt of over $25 billion and Spirit has a long term debt of less than $3 Billion and you think Spirit is the one that needs to worry if a recession comes?

mainlineAF 01-20-2020 06:14 PM

I love all the guys who went to the Dave Ramsey school of business.

Excargodog 01-20-2020 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2960785)
I love all the guys who went to the Dave Ramsey school of business.

so for extra credit, which of the majors has declared bankruptcy in the last ten years.

ninerdriver 01-21-2020 06:35 AM

American takes out junk-grade loan to pay off other loan: https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-assigns-Ba1-rating-to-American-Airlines-new-term-loan--PR_417355


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