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Cyio 01-21-2020 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2960975)
American takes out junk-grade loan to pay off other loan: https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-assigns-Ba1-rating-to-American-Airlines-new-term-loan--PR_417355

The first two paragraphs of that article are really concerning. Parker needs to start paying down the debt.

Excargodog 01-21-2020 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2960975)
American takes out junk-grade loan to pay off other loan: https://www.moodys.com/research/Mood...oan--PR_417355


and for those too blinded by the color of the kool-aid to trouble yourself with reading this I’ll give you a few excerpts:


RATINGS RATIONALE



The Parent's Ba3 corporate family rating reflects American's scale and competitive position as the world's second largest airline based on revenue, balanced by elevated financial leverage above 5x from a historically aggressive financial policy and an operating margin that continues to trail industry peers. Leverage remains elevated because of the heavy reliance on debt for repurchasing more than $11 billion of its shares while funding the majority of almost $26 billion of capital investment mainly from operating cash flow over the most recent five years. The rating also considers the company's inferior operating margin and weak free cash flow relative to its US legacy airline peers, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines.


The success of the company's strategy to grow ancillary revenues, increase fees for premium seating and services and more generally, sustain annual operating margin above 11% will be important drivers of expanding free cash flow that exceeds Moody's expectations


The ratings could be downgraded if: 1) the company continues to emphasize share repurchases rather than begin to reduce funded debt, 2) the EBITDA margin does not strengthen above the 17.4% at December 31, 2018, 3) the aggregate of cash, short-term investments and availability on revolving credit facilities is less than $5.0 billion, 4) unrestricted cash is less than $3.5 billion, or 5) Debt to EBITDA does not decline below 5x, Funds from Operations + Interest to Interest approaches 3x or Retained Cash Flow to Debt does not exceed 15%.


The term loan will be secured by landing and take-off slots, foreign gate leaseholds and route authorities for American's service to and from London Heathrow and certain other cities in Europe. The appraised value of the collateral, supported by the importance of London Heathrow as a hub, provides significant cushion against the minimum collateral coverage ratio of 1.6x.
So yeah, AA is essentially putting the debt from an old credit card on a new credit card. And putting up some of its family jewels as collateral to do it. You don’t need to be Dave Ramsey to know there is real risk in doing that. Leverage works both ways. With even a moderate recession you could be on bankruptcy...again.

Excargodog 01-21-2020 07:55 AM

And as long as we are talking ratings, Fitch rates American Airlines creditworthiness as BB-. This is their rating scale:

BREAKING DOWN Fitch Ratings

Along with Moody's and Standard & Poor's (S&P’s), Fitch is one of the top three credit rating agencies in the world. The Fitch rating system is very similar to S&P's in that they both use a letter system.

The Fitch rating system is as follows:

Investment grade
  • AAA: companies of exceptionally high quality (established, with consistent cash flows)
  • AA: still high quality; slightly more risk than AAA
  • A: low default risk; slightly more vulnerable to business or economic factors
  • BBB: low expectation of default; business or economic factors could adversely affect the company
Non-investment grade
  • BB: elevated vulnerability to default risk, more susceptible to adverse shifts in business or economic conditions; still financially flexibility
  • B: degrading financial situation; highly speculative
  • CCC: real possibility of default
  • CC: default is a strong probability
  • C: default or default-like process has begun
  • RD: issuer has defaulted on a payment
  • D: defaulted



and this is their most recent assessment of American Airlines:


Fitch Ratings - Chicago - 25 November 2019:

Fitch Ratings has affirmed American Airlines Group Inc.'s (American) Long-Term Issuer Default Rating (IDR) at 'BB-'. The ratings also apply to American's primary operating subsidiary American Airlines, Inc. In addition, Fitch has taken various rating actions on American's EETCs as detailed at the end of this release.

American Airlines Group Inc.'s 'BB-' rating is supported by the company's market position as one of the largest airlines in the world, a dominant position in key hubs and prospects for improving FCF and declining leverage over Fitch's forecast period. However, Fitch considers some of American's credit metrics to be weak for the rating. Credit metrics have been pressured over the past two years by a combination of one-time events including labor issues and the 737 MAX grounding, and by rising labor costs and by an intensely competitive environment. Fitch expects metrics to improve over the next 1-2 years as declining capital expenditures allow for debt reduction and as various revenue initiatives continue to take hold.

American's adjusted leverage at Sept. 30, 2019 was 5.1x, up from 4.9x at the same point in 2018, which Fitch considers high for the rating. EBIT margins declined in the LTM period to 8.2% from 8.5%. Fitch previously stated that American's metrics would need to improve in order to avoid a negative rating action. The Stable Rating Outlook reflects the one-time nature of some of American's performance in 2019. However, failure to see material improvement in leverage and profitability metrics in 2020 is likely to lead to a negative rating action.

tommy2times 01-21-2020 08:04 AM

Economists predict a recession by 2021 if not sooner.

GogglesPisano 01-21-2020 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by tommy2times (Post 2961030)
Economists predict a recession by 2021 if not sooner.

And they've predicted 10 out of the last 2.

HalyardJammer 01-21-2020 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by tommy2times (Post 2961030)
Economists predict a recession by 2021 if not sooner.

The economists have been predicting a recession for the last several years. The experts don't know. Each time the market sinks, people and companies have bought up the drop within a week. The market will continue going up until it decides it won't go any further. The experts don't know.

Excargodog 01-21-2020 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by HalyardJammer (Post 2961057)
The economists have been predicting a recession for the last several years. The experts don't know. Each time the market sinks, people and companies have bought up the drop within a week. The market will continue going up until it decides it won't go any further. The experts don't know.

Absolutely correct. Yet even a broken clock is right twice a day (once a day in the military :)). Eventually there will come a time when another recession hits and being over leveraged will matter.

And the problem with being too big to fail is that...well, it’s the whole premise behind the RLA. You aren’t a free agent, you are sort of a public utility, and the easy solution is bankruptcy where a decade of management failure can be eliminated in a single year by paying bond holders pennies on the dollar and cancelling labor contracts won through a decade of hard fought negotiations.

When half the country flies with you and the new management tells the NMB they need increased regional scope and a halving of their “excessive” CBA pay scales, who do you think the NMB and the politicians are going to listen to, the millions of people who fly on AA or the fifteen thousand guys flying for a legacy that all make four or five times the median family income?

tommy2times 01-21-2020 09:59 AM

Just like the SARS virus the new Wuhan Coronavirus will test the international legacies.

Excargodog 01-21-2020 10:23 AM

Looks like AA may.,.
 
... be BECOMING a ULCC:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/a...ml#post2961119

ninerdriver 01-21-2020 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2961131)

Why apply at an LCC that will hire you today when you can flow to an LCC in seven to nine years?

Pop quiz: what was US Airways' last stock ticker symbol before they took over AA?


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