Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 2955517)

So. Based on the source and content of this rant, I feel very confident and affirmed in my decision to apply with Spirit.

Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2955485)

AA isn’t going anywhere and is the closest thing to lifetime employment that you can find in the year 2020.

Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 2955536)

I would agree that AA isn't going anywhere... but then again no one thought that Pan Am or Eastern or TWA were going anywhere either. Just sayin'

Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2955485)

I have to strongly disagree with the opinions here that are in favor of leaving Envoy for a ULCC. Take Spirit for example since they have been discussed. They have a terrible reputation with customer service, charge exorbitant fees for everything and are delay and cancel prone. Plus their payrates are bottom of the barrel and I wouldn't touch their contract with a 10 foot pole. They seem to be riding high, for now. However, toss in a recession and you could show up to work at a place like that and find yourself furloughed or worse, find the doors locked. To give up a sure seat at American Airlines, for that….is the definition of insanity. AA isn’t going anywhere and is the closest thing to lifetime employment that you can find in the year 2020.

Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 2955580)

You want to talk about recession, Spirit pilots got a great contract in 2010, and order 75 Airbus in 2011. What was the legacies doing around that time?

Spirit ranked #6 while AA is at #7
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christo...o-fly-in-2020/

We are not riding high now, we’ve been doing that for the past 8 years. I rather be in the left seat in a yellow bus than left seat of an RJ, but that’s just me incase something bad happens. If you don’t want to touch our contract because our 4-5 year CA are getting $250K+ 401K DC that’s fine. 22 NH came from Envoy last year, I’m curious what they have to say.

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 2955577)

I don’t think AA is going anywhere. Unlike TWA, there is no Carl Icahn on the horizon. That is a huge difference.

Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2955616)

Yeah pretty much this. Spirit has better numbers and is setup financially much better than AA. Sure if you can put in a full 30 years at AA you are better off financially but much short of that, I bet you can make more at the ULCC.

Anyway, this isnt meant to be a Spirit sales pitch but rather an illustration that the flow and AA are not the only options people have. Each should make the choice for what is best for them. I have an app in and I am scheduled to flow soon, so let that sink in.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2955836)

I’m definitely not an AA fan boy buuuut...
How many have left spirit for AA?
How many have left AA for spirit?