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highfarfast 12-14-2019 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2938882)
44 people left in the last month with a 3-digit seniority number. So almost 1 pilot for each flow went elsewhere.
Don't look at the DECS number. It doesn't really mean a thing.

I understand what you mean about the DECS number being a bit inflated. But I was looking at the difference between my current number and my previous number. Assuming there was the same amount of bloat in each number (and if anything, there would be less bloat on the later figure), there wasn't that much more change than flow. Downside of advancing seniority, the movement gets slower the closer you get.

dera 12-14-2019 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by Tyrion (Post 2939160)
So if people who quit 2 months ago are still in DECs, then how many of those 58 spots can just be attributed to cleaning up the list? 44 numbers north of #1000 are almost all flow and retirement. I haven't been seeing flow announcements recently, so I don't know how many flowed in each class. Were there 2 or 3 flow classes captured in this 30 day seniority adjustment? I haven't heard of any major developments that increased it.

3 in the double digits were probably retirements. That just reminds me to raise a glass for those careers wasted at The Envoy.

So, between #1000 and the bottom of the list, there were 14 spots. I know a couple that went to bigger and better places. A couple more probably just went to other places. I also know a couple who were told not to come back.

I appreciate your enthusiasm. GTFO.

I'm not sure if you understand what I was saying.

In the past 30 days, 44 people left who were senior to seniority number 1000.

There were 2 retirements, and 1 flew west. This has nothing to do with DECS.

dera 12-14-2019 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2939162)
I understand what you mean about the DECS number being a bit inflated. But I was looking at the difference between my current number and my previous number. Assuming there was the same amount of bloat in each number (and if anything, there would be less bloat on the later figure), there wasn't that much more change than flow. Downside of advancing seniority, the movement gets slower the closer you get.

No. That's not how this works. DECS number is off by whatever. It does not mean a thing. Flow plan is accurate the day it is published.

Your last DECS run might have had 3 months of "ghosts", and this one only 2. DECS number means nothing.

highfarfast 12-14-2019 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2939181)
No. That's not how this works. DECS number is off by whatever. It does not mean a thing. Flow plan is accurate the day it is published.

Sooo, you're saying the amount that DECS is off from the previous number to the amount DECS is off from the current number is wildly different then?

dera 12-14-2019 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2939182)
Sooo, you're saying the amount that DECS is off from the previous number to the amount DECS is off from the current number is wildly different then?

Flow plan is the accurate source, not DECS.

DECS is whatever. Who cares about those numbers. Literally nothing is done based on them. Pay bands, flow dates etc are based on actual, not DECS, seniority numbers.

Hard fact:
From 15th of November to 13th of December, #1024 moved to #980. That is 44 numbers, in just under a month.

highfarfast 12-14-2019 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2939186)
Flow plan is the accurate source, not DECS.

DECS is whatever. Who cares about those numbers. Literally nothing is done based on them. Pay bands, flow dates etc are based on actual, not DECS, seniority numbers.

Hard fact:
From 15th of November to 13th of December, #1024 moved to #980. That is 44 numbers, in just under a month.

Cool. I m senior to that. Probably why I m seeing smaller difference.

dera 12-14-2019 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2939188)
Cool. I m senior to that. Probably why I m seeing smaller difference.

Very likely. If you tell me your seniority number-ish, I'd be happy to tell you how much you moved this time round.

pitchattitude 12-14-2019 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2939186)
Flow plan is the accurate source, not DECS.

DECS is whatever. Who cares about those numbers. Literally nothing is done based on them. Pay bands, flow dates etc are based on actual, not DECS, seniority numbers.

Hard fact:
From 15th of November to 13th of December, #1024 moved to #980. That is 44 numbers, in just under a month.

That date range should include an AA class on November 18th and December 2nd. How many flows were in those two classes? The flows are not always equally divided between classes.

havick206 12-14-2019 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2939214)
That date range should include an AA class on November 18th and December 2nd. How many flows were in those two classes? The flows are not always equally divided between classes.

Attrition needs to be averaged over a greater timeframe to give a better trend.

buddies8 12-15-2019 07:36 AM

Just curious, how many of you folks on this thread are recruiters?


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