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AV8R72 12-18-2019 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Toolbox9909 (Post 2939827)
Envoy Air, based in Irving, is the carrier’s largest subsidiary and will send more than 300 pilots to American this year. Envoy’s chief executive, Pedro Fábregas, is proud of the constant flow of pilots that come through his airline and make their way to American.

“Pilots come to work for me because in five years, they’re going to be pilots at American,” Fábregas told the Dallas Business Journal in October. “We hire the best of the best. And if American wants to hire the best of the best from me? That’s good. That’s the way it works.”

Despite the constant flow of pilots to the mainline carrier and other regional carriers feeling the pressure from the shortage, Fábregas said Envoy doesn’t have a pilot shortage. There was softness back in 2015 but for the last couple of years, “the classes are full,” he said.

When was this quote from? 2018?

In new hire classes this summer they said 6 years

rld1k 12-18-2019 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 2941272)
When was this quote from? 2018?

In new hire classes this summer they said 6 years

Envoy ads state 5-6 years

buddies8 12-18-2019 03:08 PM

Then there is no need for all this discussion. It will be what it will be.
People having second thoughts.

havick206 12-18-2019 04:40 PM

Frontier just announced a MIA base. Might interest those more than 2 years away from flow.

Voski 12-30-2019 10:17 PM

I’m looking forward to the next ALPA seniority list. There’s been quite a few resignations in November & December and I know of some coming in January from CAs and FOs that got picked up by majors.

dragongoliath 12-31-2019 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Voski (Post 2948178)
I’m looking forward to the next ALPA seniority list. There’s been quite a few resignations in November & December and I know of some coming in January from CAs and FOs that got picked up by majors.

No union list for the past 3 months. gotta wait for company seniority list January 15th.

With my $ 2k yearly dues the only thing I want is a monthly seniority list

Voski 12-31-2019 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by dragongoliath (Post 2948284)
No union list for the past 3 months. gotta wait for company seniority list January 15th.

With my $ 2k yearly dues the only thing I want is a monthly seniority list

Agreed, 100%.

Tellheritwasntu 12-31-2019 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by dragongoliath (Post 2948284)
No union list for the past 3 months. gotta wait for company seniority list January 15th.

With my $ 2k yearly dues the only thing I want is a monthly seniority list

Wait two weeks and there will be a new seniority list update by the company. They do it every six months and it’s in the pilot contract and it’s much more accurate than Sabre numbers at its publish date.

CaseTractor 12-31-2019 07:09 AM

Seems like for the past 2 years, system bids have been every quarter. Looks like we will miss that pace if we don’t have one in January.

What I don’t get is if we are so short on CA, why miss this bid being on schedule to keep the forced displacements going?

Any ideas the reason, training backed up, no need, waiting on new news for more accurate numbers?

Will February be bigger numbers (CA Seats) since it’s delayed a month?

Maybe they are just too lazy to run it and I’m reading into this too much.

UnprotectdPilot 12-31-2019 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 2948339)
Seems like for the past 2 years, system bids have been every quarter. Looks like we will miss that pace if we don’t have one in January.

What I don’t get is if we are so short on CA, why miss this bid being on schedule to keep the forced displacements going?

Any ideas the reason, training backed up, no need, waiting on new news for more accurate numbers?

Will February be bigger numbers (CA Seats) since it’s delayed a month?

Maybe they are just too lazy to run it and I’m reading into this too much.

Lots of pilots in the chute for the E175 right now (displacements off the CRJ, upgrades, new hires, recurrent) which may be a factor, but I’m not sure. Again, I think Envoy is going to be wildly unprepared for 2020 if Envoy pilots have apps out.


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