FYI, that is not what happened.

I’ll bite. Something drastic happened to June flying and multiple sources said it was a DP JO BR tiff over cares money and cancel fees. If that’s not what happened then what did then?

You must be on drugs. Envoy pilots are pay protected for cancellations. Nice try though.

What’s your next doozy? Mesa is the premier regional airline in the United States?

soooooo, tell us what the tiff was and the outcome, then.

no way! Envoy is. Mesa is the worst.

envoy is far from the best. The only good things we really have are commuter hotels, Captain pay upon bid award, and unrestricted overtime.

Is Captain pay on bid award still a thing now? They pulled the five hour override for accepting a seat lock for displacements. Not that there were many new ones, this last time anyway, not will there be for a while. New captains that is. Not going to see displacements to captain for a long time again.

Additionally, the 5 hours of pay for a voluntary seat lock is in the contract. The company cancelled everyone’s seat lock a few months back negating the 5 hours of pay everyone was receiving. Anyone who was displaced requiring training on the last bid would have been able to select a voluntary seat lock for pay.

I believe you have to have been displaced to a captain position to volunteer for seat lock.

This is my understanding of it as well. The company could cancel that pay so long as they did it to all the captains.

Envoy 2020
 

No regional airline is premier.

Envoy has a chip to let down. Period.

Fellow Envoiers...... MESA AIRLINE earned a profit last quarter. Take that FWIIW. They are more likely to survive a Bankruptcy or down turn than Envoy Air.


https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...q2-profit.html

Also be careful which carrier you guys talk shippp about. May need to ask a pilot known there for a recommendation one day.

Small changing industry.

Everybody mocks Mesa, it’s just a meme. I mean, I didn’t used to until they denied me a jumpseat to Dallas last summer, no reason given. You could say they’re asking for it.

That’s interesting, if I had to take a WAG I’d say it would have been O2 levels because there really isn’t much difference between a full bottle and the 3 crew member minimum with the 900. And with some of them approaching 20 years old now they do tend to lose 02 pressure over the course of a couple days. Either way it’s pretty BS they wouldn’t let you know why, but with some of our jaded PHX CA’s I can’t say I’m really surprised. Sorry that happened to you man, did you say anything to your jumpseat committee at all? If you didn’t then we really have no way of telling you what actually happened or “correcting” this CA if it was something that should have never happened.

honestly I’m sorry that happened on behalf of the whole pilot group. You’d never had been left by me or 99.9% of any other crews. Those guys are prixx for not getting you on. Mocking doesn’t bother most of us, all good fun. My bff went to Envoy and I went to Mesa its fun to compare notes and talk shiz.

I always make the walk. Some don’t and never know there was a guy missed because of a gate agent.

Could have been occupied by a check airman.

The only thing Envoy really had going for it above Mesa was the flow. In hindsight I wish I would have gone with Mesa, at least I wouldn't have to commute.

And you could have spent more time drinking!

And the company can very easily vacate those seat locks again to avoid the payments. I don’t think there were any 145 captains awarded and if no one is going to the 145 from the 175 then a seat lock means nothing. I don’t think there will be anyone trained on the 145 again at Envoy.

Hittin the sauce brah? Geez.

This is hands down THE most ridiculous statement ever. Dude, you are scared of the virus for one and "hindsight" tells you to go to MESA. Just about if not, the bottom of the regional FFD carriers. When you flow are you going to commute or move to base? Why not move to base now?

IMHO, you shouldn't be gambling or buying stocks. You'd fold if somebody sneezed. Stayyy safe.

Thanks for your added commentary, much appreciated. You're truly a sage among us neophytes.

I for one will sleep better knowing that TheKooj once again responded to one of my posts. Its like a warm blanket of awesomeness to know that such an enlightened soul took their time to steward me into righteousness.

l m a o 🤣

“The Stooge” reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister durring Gulf War 1. AKA Baghdad Bob.

Nothing has changed in his world, everybody made sure to socially distance themselves from him well before covid.

:eek:




:D

https://youtu.be/_STrcZ1OSLQ

Charlie Bucket in a meeting with management

Doing the lord’s work with this one. 👍

Most excellent!!


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Big Tom lmao

is the PSA stuff true?

Supposedly, their management is pursuing permanent concessions, and will not entertain temporary relief as offered by their MEC (what was proposed there, I do not know), per a buddy there. We all remember what happened around AIP time last year, and in 2014, so take that for what it's worth.

F’ing awesome

One of their MEC’s updates was floating around last week and it pretty much said that they aren’t willing to give concessions. The asks that management had were far too high and just not doable in any way.

This is epic!! It literally made me lmao this early in the morning

Brilliant. I love the Big Tom and TheKooj part, although it saddens me that loon gets anymore attention lol.
I am hopeful the current PSA group learned the lessons from the past and dont budge on concessions. As the video states, Envoy is still using a concessionary contract. Lets rewrite that one first.

surprising. What is “too high” for psa? Becoming the worlds first “Volunteer Flight Department”?

Anyone in the know care to message me, or just post here if able, if we can plan on having another round of cancelations in September like we did August? My hunch is yes, but just wanted to confirm.

I’m certainly not in the know, but air portal shows an F1 for September that came out after the bid packets. Looked to be 15-20% fewer flights. I didn’t look at all categories so that’s not a one size fits all answer.