I’m hearing both ends of the spectrum. Senior CAs/ check airmen are saying that more planes are coming and crews needed to fly them. That AA is using the LRJs to plug gaps in routes for the foreseeable future. That AA is ramping up schedules and all hands will be needed on deck.

then the union says don’t buy a boat. It’s really confusing of the polar opposite views.

where are these overly optimistic ideas originating from?

hopefully truth is at least in the middle

Even if the 175's keep flying full schedules, if they park 140's and 145's Envoy is going to furlough. Your seat/airplane won't matter.

Go big or go home

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There are newhires waiting to start systems?

Yes.

filler.

Don’t think your senior CAs are very accurate. AA just retired a lot of airplanes and prior to that the LRJ numbers were already a scope due to the Max. Now the LRJs will be a bigger scope issue than before. Also do not think it is true for the foreseeable future that AA is plugging gaps with RJs. The schedule is pretty clear that gap filling frequency is not being utilized right now. Frequency is used for convenience for business travelers... those don’t exist right now. They are putting the bare minimum flights on right now and they seem to be utilizing capacity on mainline aircraft. Better for revenue to sell 85% of 196 vs 85% of 76 when you can fill the larger plane and only run it once than having to run the smaller plane twice. Obviously some markets need the RJ market, but some cities that used to be flown are RJs are currently being served by Airbuses. Cities that we haven’t flown mainline planes into in a while.

Maybe, but there are certainly midsized markets that have been covered by a mix of mainline and regional that are being covered by almost exclusively regional service right now.

There is about a dozen split between both airframes. They were the “B” group of the last new hire class. They had finished Indoc but hadn’t started aircraft specific training. You can see them at the bottom of the seniority list.
Im thinking there’s a pretty good chance those that got stuck on the 145 will never have to see it.

Learning Hub
 

When are we going to start getting paid for these pathetic learning hub courses? I haven’t done any of them. SHOW ME THE MONEY! I ain’t wasting 30mins of my personal time doing some free stuff for this company(or any company) What does the union have to say about that?

From what I understand the union says “they have to pay us but just do them for now”

Yeah, the typical fly it and grieve it approach, which essentially means the company can abuse things now and pay up later. Personally I am more of the dont fly it and let them grieve it mentality but hey, what do I know.

My suggestion, just do it and hope the union gets around to it later. Given this is a state issued directive I dont think you will have much wiggle room on it.

This fly it and grieve it thing gets old!

Me!? I ain’t doing it

This!!!! Filler

Where do I submit my 30 min of work for my Illinois required training? Half joking...

There is an RF for taxi time. Test the waters, report back.

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Fixed it for you

File a wage complaint with the State of Illinois. https://www2.illinois.gov/idol/Pages/Complaints.aspx

It's funny, when I started at Eagle the union used to tell us to tell them, show me where in the contract I'm obligated to do that? When they couldn't it became, well if I'm not obligated then it's just a request, and I'm not agreeing to the request.
If they pointed to some section that was uber vague and they were taking liberties, we were told to remind them they aren't your supervisor, and to request to be connected to a chief pilot who would make the call. Always remain polite.
Somehow, somewhere it became fly it and grieve it.... never ever understood that. If the CBA was clear, then you weren't obligated. seemed pretty simple. The unclear ones, the Chief Pilot would tell you to do it and then you'd fly it and grieve it. Scheduling was/is not a supervisor.... (at least they used to not be)

No, it did not become that. What you say is exactly how it is today. Tell CS to pound sand, but if CPO tells you to do it, you do it.
Fly it and grieve it happens at every airline.

I am not wanting to start a riot or anything over this, more just thought provoking conversation.

Isn't this mindset though giving all the power to the company? I mean listen, most CPO's are going to side with management if it comes down to something operational, even if it is against the CBA or in a grey area. This leaves the door open for us to be taken advantage of in terms of schedule, qol etc. I understand if we are in the right we can still get paid, perhaps get a day off back etc, however we still need to put in all that extra work and time to get what was originally ours back.

To me that seems unfair and has potential to really cause people angst if the right circumstances come up. I mean, what if I have an event I am needed at but the company decides they need me, even though I am legal to say no the CPO tells me to fly it anyway. I guess I just don't understand the mentality, if I know I am right, why do I have to do it?

At the end of the day the company isn't going to let me do things the contract doesn't allow, so why should we allow the same liberties to them? I know this are rare circumstances, but it is worth having a conversation about them nonetheless.

I still find it humorous that you have to inflate your ego by coming back here and talking about the old times like you were and are some kind of Yoda about everything. I think 99.99% of the folks on this forum just disregard your postings as the rantings of someone that is unstable.

Let me help clarify some things for you. Firstly, Envoy is NOT the "old American Eagle" of the post 9/11 and Great Recession days. That carrier was owned outright by AMR who did things totally different than AAG management. I know it must pain you but the fact is that the "old flow" was worthless because it was developed by AMR management. AAG is the new American and they and Envoy and they are FAR superior to the AMR days. Just go take a look at how many have flowed post AAG vs. pre AAG. The company designed it like that. They want the companies intertwined and together so that you really are American on day one. That isn't how it was before so you should reminisce with the other 2 guys over on TA. THIS forum is for ENVOY pilots.

So why are you here bruh? Shouldn't you be in your mother's basement watching episodes of Waco and looking for government agents spying on you?

The hypocrisy is thick with this one. Nice to see you back, care to defend any of your previous proclamations? I thought this entire thing would “burn” out by summer, whatever the hell that means. What about things recovering again?

You are a meme, an unfunny one, but a meme nonetheless.

They remind me of the IRS, they can overcharge us on taxes and essentially get an interest free loan from us but god forbid we miss a payment!

True. Nothing you can do about it though. Refusing a directive given by your supervisor is insubordination. Just remember, CS is not your supervisor.

And I wouldn't say CPOs side with management. We have very good CPOs right now. *****ing about it on social media just won't fix any of these issues. Use the correct channels.

I think 100% of the folks on this forum just disregard your postings as the rantings of someone that is unstable.

Agreed 100%!

Oh I understand, again just having a discussion. I also don’t know that I was *****ing about it lol, just pointing out an aggravation.

you’re an idiot.

I’m trying to pick up OT, but it’s getting denied because of invalid 30hrs report. I thought I had it down, but apparently not.

I've never seen that. Is this a response using the automated system or an HI6 in response to an RF?

an hi6 message from swaps n drops

Did you take a screen shot of your RF? If so, are both the 30 hour rests actually 30 hours and both not during actual duty?

I did, Imma call them at 9 to see what the hell is going on. I’m positive I’m legal for the sequence. It’s the first time I had this issue.

Didja figure it out?

I’m a little hazy on the 30 hr rest period requirement. Just for clarity, if on reserve trying to pick up OT after 5 days of not being used, the rest period for me would begin at 00:00 (beginning of my first duty free period) and there fore I couldn’t pick any OT trip that has a sign in time no later than 30 hours later? Meaning the trip I was trying to pick up had to have a sign in time to begin no earlier than 6:00am on my second day off?

Also does this same 30 hr rest have to be applied to the back end of the OT trip as well?


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30 hours in 168 hours, both sides of the trip. RAPs count as duty so make sure the 30 hours is not inside any, even if you did not get used.

It was a mistake from swaps and drops. They ended up giving me the trip

I figured that's what it would be.

Incorrect. You can include rest on a normal duty day or RAP day. I do it all the time. You can't on the back end of a RAP, but you can on the front, for example having your first 30 hours of rest end at 03:59 on a reserve day since there is no reserve/RAP assignment before 4am.