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Originally Posted by martyByrde
(Post 3105330)
The union has been pretty quiet about this. I’m surprised we haven’t received a “fly it and grieve it” comm.
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
(Post 3105335)
Where is the contract violation? If anything your route of a complaint should be to the state of Illinois because they are requiring the training and envoy is denying to pay us for.
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Originally Posted by martyByrde
(Post 3105367)
My route of complaint? Do you mean the unions route?
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Originally Posted by HalyardJammer
(Post 3105396)
Exactly, we're going to start filling complaints? Isn't that our union's job to represent us?
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
(Post 3105406)
Everyone else should as well. File a wage claim with the Department of Labor in IL as well.
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Originally Posted by HalyardJammer
(Post 3105396)
Exactly, we're going to start filling complaints? Isn't that our union's job to represent us?
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Originally Posted by Naviator
(Post 3105509)
it’s not in the contract so the union isn’t legally allowed to talk to the company about it, apparently.
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
(Post 3105579)
So what’s this I hear of zero lines in NY for September? I saw a preview a few days ago and there we 1 line. Is it about to be over for real in NY?
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So the state dept today eased travel restrictions from level 4 to level 3 through to level 1, will that in any way affect foreign travel and flying in general? Very optimistic for the best 👍
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First time poster. Not a long time lurker. Come on here when things are interesting around work, see what the rumors are, but that’s about it. Figured since it’s the end of times maybe I’d join in.
When industry was doing well, pre covid, our raise negotiations were a joke with hostile management and all. And that’s when they actually wanted to give us something. What will it look like when they want something back? I sit in the top 25% of our seniority, so technically short of going out of business I guess I have some job security. But idk if I have the energy for what’s to come. Not sure if I’ll be able to get out, but I am looking at options. Anyone else thinking of leaving the rat race? |
Originally Posted by LetItBurn
(Post 3107855)
First time poster. Not a long time lurker. Come on here when things are interesting around work, see what the rumors are, but that’s about it. Figured since it’s the end of times maybe I’d join in.
When industry was doing well, pre covid, our raise negotiations were a joke with hostile management and all. And that’s when they actually wanted to give us something. What will it look like when they want something back? I sit in the top 25% of our seniority, so technically short of going out of business I guess I have some job security. But idk if I have the energy for what’s to come. Not sure if I’ll be able to get out, but I am looking at options. Anyone else thinking of leaving the rat race? |
Originally Posted by teamflyer
(Post 3107873)
same. Highly considering this LTLOA as an exit. Unlike the CSLOA, I think the LTLOA the company won’t call you back. But you can request to return after a year with a 30 day notice
Unfortunately, all my other options have either gone up in smoke or become highly unreliable with the COVID mess. |
Yea the LTLOA looks attractive. Let’s you go in a new direction without all the normal risk, assuming envoy survives. I unfortunately also am not in a position to do this today. But I’m updating the resume, and will be taking a look at community college/ vocational schools. Seems like a good time to pick up a trade. Idk that it will be worthwhile enough to leave the job, but it’s a start for me. And at least makes for a softer landing if things really go sideways.
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Originally Posted by LetItBurn
(Post 3107855)
First time poster. Not a long time lurker. Come on here when things are interesting around work, see what the rumors are, but that’s about it. Figured since it’s the end of times maybe I’d join in.
When industry was doing well, pre covid, our raise negotiations were a joke with hostile management and all. And that’s when they actually wanted to give us something. What will it look like when they want something back? I sit in the top 25% of our seniority, so technically short of going out of business I guess I have some job security. But idk if I have the energy for what’s to come. Not sure if I’ll be able to get out, but I am looking at options. Anyone else thinking of leaving the rat race? In other words, what I just said above bodes VERY well for Envoy. No need to hang up the headset just yet. |
Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 3108048)
Number one, Envoy's gonna be just fine. And you are too. Unfortunately the guys in this industry who need to worry are at FFD carriers. The WOs, most especially Envoy eventually as a 175 only powerhouse carrier isn't going anywhere. This pandemic is completely overblown and it's evident now that the citizens aren't going to put up with any additional shutdowns. As soon as the more restrictive states wise up, and they will, and end their ridiculous quarantines, domestic travel at least will resume and climb toward the 50% range by the end of the year with the holiday season. Hopefully the public appetite for total shutdowns of Vegas, Disney, sports, etc. will push these entities to reopen in full ASAP which should begin to push beyond that 50% number as the recovery gains momentum.
In other words, what I just said above bodes VERY well for Envoy. No need to hang up the headset just yet. 5 million cases and look at what you're here saying. |
Originally Posted by Helij3t
(Post 3108050)
You surely need to look into the white house press secretary job.
5 million cases and look at what you're here saying. 5 million cases? So what? We are all going to get it sometime and along with that comes herd immunity where a vaccine isn't really necessary. If you happen to be scared by the media mind meld poisoning, I suggest you take a long term leave and quarantine yourself while the rest of us get on with the business of life bringing the economy back with it. |
Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 3108048)
Number one, Envoy's gonna be just fine. And you are too. Unfortunately the guys in this industry who need to worry are at FFD carriers. The WOs, most especially Envoy eventually as a 175 only powerhouse carrier isn't going anywhere. This pandemic is completely overblown and it's evident now that the citizens aren't going to put up with any additional shutdowns. As soon as the more restrictive states wise up, and they will, and end their ridiculous quarantines, domestic travel at least will resume and climb toward the 50% range by the end of the year with the holiday season. Hopefully the public appetite for total shutdowns of Vegas, Disney, sports, etc. will push these entities to reopen in full ASAP which should begin to push beyond that 50% number as the recovery gains momentum.
In other words, what I just said above bodes VERY well for Envoy. No need to hang up the headset just yet. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...809c977d28.jpg |
Envoy 2020
Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 3108056)
Yeah? And so what. In March the docs in charge said if we didn't shutdown we would have 2 to 3 million deaths at worst and with full mitigation, 100 to 200k by May 31st. Here we are in mid August just crossing the 150k mark of deaths, largely from at risk individuals such as older, underlying health conditions, etc. Take a look at the gubmint death numbers and divide by the known case numbers. The death rate is tracking right along with influenza now and dropping. If you are an at risk individual, stay home or take precautions.
5 million cases? So what? We are all going to get it sometime and along with that comes herd immunity where a vaccine isn't really necessary. If you happen to be scared by the media mind meld poisoning, I suggest you take a long term leave and quarantine yourself while the rest of us get on with the business of life bringing the economy back with it. Ok, can you even define herd immunity? No? Well, herd immunity requires an effective vaccine along the way . herd im·mu·ni·ty noun the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination. "the level of vaccination needed to achieve herd immunity varies by disease but ranges from 83 to 94 percent" The only way IMO damage to this industry (including Envoy) is even remotely mitigated is through a combination of CARES PT 2 and a vaccine announced before those funds run out. Because as fun as the summer numbers have been, big dollar business travel won’t resume until big dollar companies are confident they aren’t sending their money generating lambs to the slaughter. Regardless of your personal opinion on the “media” and masks . |
herd im·mu·ni·ty
noun the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination. "the level of vaccination needed to achieve herd immunity varies by disease but ranges from 83 to 94 percent" Here's the definition when google is not used (oxford dictionary): herd immunity (noun) · herd immunities (plural noun)
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Well there’s a reason for the emphasis on a vaccine. Assuming you need 50% of the population to get sick and recover (and that percentage is a guess, nobody knows what herd immunity looks like for corona), the health care system would implode. It’s already overwhelmed in many parts of the country with just 5 million cases. You’re talking 150 million+ cases of an extremely transmissible disease. Yes, many are asymptomatic, but still. The vaccine argument for herd immunity makes a lot more sense. Just ask any livestock rancher.
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Originally Posted by jake cutter
(Post 3108253)
Well there’s a reason for the emphasis on a vaccine. Assuming you need 50% of the population to get sick and recover (and that percentage is a guess, nobody knows what herd immunity looks like for corona), the health care system would implode. It’s already overwhelmed in many parts of the country with just 5 million cases. You’re talking 150 million+ cases of an extremely transmissible disease. Yes, many are asymptomatic, but still. The vaccine argument for herd immunity makes a lot more sense. Just ask any livestock rancher.
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
(Post 3108347)
Since this is the Envoy 2020 thread, let’s stop having ****ing matches over who thinks they’re a better epidemiologist, or psychic reader, and talk about the ‘Voy.
Republic is getting shafted out of Miami and Envoy will take over, with 175s there. NY is closing with a full base displacement bid taking place in September, and all 50 seaters parked within the next 12 months. Debate. Go. |
There are equipment related reasons why Envoy cannot totally displace Republic from Miami.
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Originally Posted by But seriously
(Post 3108388)
Are those WAGs or inside info?
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
(Post 3108396)
There are equipment related reasons why Envoy cannot totally displace Republic from Miami.
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 3108409)
Those “equipment related reasons” are nothing that AAG couldn’t choose to change. IDK for sure, but I doubt that every RAH plane flown for AAG has the overwater equipment. Envoy could change opspec and carry the equipment on just enough aircraft to cover the flying. Does it make logistics slightly more difficult, sure, but it can be done. Envoy had a choice of Canada or Caribbean. They chose the Great White North. They didn’t want the weight penalty for the overwater equipment. But again, I don’t think they would have to equip the whole fleet. But either way, it’s a strategic choice.
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In other, slightly more positive news: https://www.timeout.com/usa/news/acc...a-plane-081020
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 3108409)
Those “equipment related reasons” are nothing that AAG couldn’t choose to change. IDK for sure, but I doubt that every RAH plane flown for AAG has the overwater equipment. Envoy could change opspec and carry the equipment on just enough aircraft to cover the flying. Does it make logistics slightly more difficult, sure, but it can be done. Envoy had a choice of Canada or Caribbean. They chose the Great White North. They didn’t want the weight penalty for the overwater equipment. But again, I don’t think they would have to equip the whole fleet. But either way, it’s a strategic choice.
Swapping YX out of MIA would make sense. It would let YX consolidate in the northeast and see some new efficiencies in their scheduling. The same could be said for Envoy leaving LGA and taking all of MIA. |
Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
(Post 3108565)
They can put life vests on every airplane and get 150 mile overwater. That would do the job, and wouldn’t add more than 200lbs to the airplane. It’s a simple change to the Ops Specs and doesn’t even require a trip to the pool.
Swapping YX out of MIA would make sense. It would let YX consolidate in the northeast and see some new efficiencies in their scheduling. The same could be said for Envoy leaving LGA and taking all of MIA. |
Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 3108581)
. Envoy pilots will be flying all over the Caribbean soon.
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Originally Posted by Chato
(Post 3108600)
pinky promise?
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
(Post 3108565)
They can put life vests on every airplane and get 150 mile overwater. That would do the job, and wouldn’t add more than 200lbs to the airplane. It’s a simple change to the Ops Specs and doesn’t even require a trip to the pool.
Swapping YX out of MIA would make sense. It would let YX consolidate in the northeast and see some new efficiencies in their scheduling. The same could be said for Envoy leaving LGA and taking all of MIA. Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA
(Post 3108665)
This was looked at before and would make us weight restricted and bump revenue paxs operating between Canada and DFW in the winter with an Alerternate. It was decided before it wasn't worth it.
Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk RW I believe even sent an email stating it was specifically due to weight restrictions pertaining to Canada flying. The company didn’t feel it was worth it to lose revenue up north for some in the south. Could this all change if AA pills republic out of Miami? Certainly. |
For the record. Screw that little bi** who was complaining in the MIA envoy pilot group
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Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower
(Post 3108716)
For the record. Screw that little bi** who was complaining in the MIA envoy pilot group
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Originally Posted by dera
(Post 3108721)
Are you jealous of his abs? Sign of true professionalism you know.
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