Whereas envoy has parked over 90 aircraft.

Not anymore.

I don't see any signs of flying picking up in the schedule during June. Maybe Envoy or AA (but I repeat myself) bean counters figure it is cheaper to keep these aircraft active and sitting at gates at outstations instead of sitting on a closed runway. Right now, they are flying a few aircraft for 4 legs a day. If they pull aircraft out of storage, they can fly the same number of flights, just divide the legs over more airplanes. Fly twice as many aircraft 2 legs a day, or 4 times as many aircraft once a day. Who knows, maybe we will start doing tail swaps on our long sits at outstations. Sounds like fun doing first flight of the day checks on every flight.

Laughs in 175

Heard from a friend spirit is ramping up for June. Saw an article cruise ships saw an increase of 600% in bookings from previous year.

^if there’s a second wave of this thing, it’ll be on those floating Petri dishes ....

This is misleading, the DOW was at $16,500 Janurary 2016, and peaked at over $29k. No real projections called that, but once it's there projections include it.

If we could find a 2025 projection, from 2016 it will probably be much more consertive than a 2025 projection ran in November 2019.

Right when Richard Anderson retired from Delta he was targeting 1% growth, and the majors got sued for coining the term "capacity discipline".

Southwest and United decide 3-5% YOY was more attractive, then the models baked it in.

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Anyone heard what’s now being planned for the limited reopener this fall with all this COVID going on?

Ha. Most likely asking for concessions on everything.

Probably the same thing APA and AA are doing. Silently agreeing to ignore it for now.

Looks like a bunch of Mesa flying just got put into open time for DFW 145

Yup. They can't handle it. I would seriously expect at some point for ALL of this flying to be permanently Envoy.

"They can't handle it" doesn't make a lot of sense when there's not enough flying to go around.

Does commuting to Midway count as a good faith effort?

As long as you have time to get from there to ORD in time, I’m sure they’d be fine with it.

Ive used MDW plenty of times (not just as my backup).

Give yourself 1:40 from MDW to sign in at ORD and you should be good.

Mesa lost over half of their flying in DFW for June, down to 21 daily departures.

Any idea why? There were certainly plenty of their planes at the gate and with their already reduced schedule they SHOULD be able to cover the flying.

That's just the way it is.

It certainly seems as though AA is bringing more flying in house within the AAG family

That don't make sense though. They have contract with Mesa for the lift, while on the other hand AA can do whatever they want with Envoy.

It is perplexing why we're getting thier flying.

CPAs have minimum levels, clearly Mesa's is very, very low.
So is RAH's.
Skywest seems to negotiate better deals.

Because American was ****ed that we wouldn’t let them not pay us for flights they canceled last minute. If you honestly want to know why that’s it. American wanted to break our contract with them and JO basically told Doug Parker to get bent on that. If you look at July it’s back towards our normal amount. June will be slow going though.

If Dougie’s and Jonny’s bromance is over, not a good thing for Mesa.

I’ve been told they kissed and made up which is why supposedly July should be back to normal. Then again who knows if that’s the truth or not.

This may or may not be true, but as far as schedules, July schedule is not back to normal, AA just has not updated yet. It looks like what they planned for prior to corona. June also looked very promising until they updated it sometime in May.

The P2 schedule isn’t pre Covid. The 08-P1 is however. The F0 for July should be coming out any day

CPA must have "national emergency" language allowing them to gut departures.

Why would they want to pay Mesa and pay Envoy. Government is payroll protecting everyone, why pay a fee for a departure.

Anyone else having to wait a ridiculously long time between posts or am I on some sort of naughty list for an unknown reason? This 240 seconds between posts didn't used to be there, so either they changed something across the board or I am in trouble, although it has been several weeks since it started so I dont know what I could have done.

I usually log on here during a down couple of minutes so having to wait 4 minutes between postings seems extreme.

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Due to Covid-19......... Lol you know the rest

According to their most recent earnings call, SkyWest waived the minimums on CPAs with their partners. So I wonder what else is at play here if AA could in theory kick OO down to 0 hours.

Possible, but AFAIK, Skywest is the only one doing LAX flying, so seems unlikely to drop them to nothing.

Also, don’t know where in the pipeline they are, but isn’t Skywest purchasing 25 175s for AA flying?

Even posts have to be socially distanced from each other.

Been seeing it as well recently. It is annoying for sure.

Envoy and PSA are seeing a significant increase in July and Mesa hits a peak of only 53 departures/day out of DFW. Envoy will see 190 some days

Where are you seeing this posted? Also is this across all four of our bases?

The 190 is just out of DFW for y’all. It’s on one of the internal websites

Sadly as more regional flying is taken from fee for departure regionals (except skyw) and brought back into the AAG system to cover mainline flying at cheaper labor costs, more will fold before things improve. Remember, around 90k people in those TSA counts are airline employees being paid with cares money backing to still show up for work.

Also, owning a profitable in house regional makes said regional more valuable when or if it comes time to sell it off for cash during difficult economic times. If you don’t think AAG will throw one of the wholly owns under the bus to save mainline labor, operating costs, and furlough avoidance then...

Blue Skies

Hey, how about mustering alone optimism. If you can't manage that, buzz off.

If he's at mainline, I think that counts as optimism for him.

Sometimes I lurk old posts on this forum from around 2009 when airlines were reacting to the last major crisis and something I've noticed is that when anxieties start kicking up among mainline pilots, a small minority turn to soothing themselves by fantasizing about how much worse other people have it and how they're doing relatively well. Regional pilots are an obvious target for this therapeutic activity.

Just to be clear, I don't think this is a mainline behavior so much as it's a boomer behavior and mainline airlines have a higher proportion of those.