The pilots are not losing money due to this bogus LOA. As I said it before I wouldn’t even take it if it was 50hrs. I’m gonna keep milking my 75hrs-wish it was 80hrs

100+ AA employees, 600+ southwest employees tested positive for the Rona. Why are we still flying? Some flight empty, some have double digit pax. Why the hell are people flying around when the whole country is practically on a shelter in place order.
And the company thinks they can provide 2 masks per day per pilot. What a joke.

Lets get some obvious things out of the way so we can narrow this down.

1. I feel it is largely understood that those who choose not to accept this PLOA will not lose any money. Great.
2. There are those that would rather take less money and not fly in order to protect themselves and their loved ones.
3. 19 hours of pays is simply not enough to live on for all but a small majority.
4. The union hasn't released a number for the amount of pilots that took the deal and I imagine they won't.
5. Leverage can be many things and in many forms. This isn't a simple answer.
6. Just because our other wholly owns take a deal, doesn't mean we need too.

It is my belief, as I have stated before, that by taking the deal that was offered, we helped a small portion of our pilot group while doing nothing for the rest. Last I checked we all pay the same dues, therefore should all be represented equally. This LOA doesn't do that. Sure, the argument could be made that anyone could have taken it, but again, that isn't reality.

In addition, by taking this offer, you are essentially shutting the door, albeit perhaps not forever, on any further improvements. This has also come true, as the MEC just sent an email stating the company isn't talking. Dera wants to make the argument that by allowing at least some of our pilots to take the LOA, we are at helping them. Sure, this is accurate, but I dont think it should have been done at the expense of the rest and wouldn't even more paid hours have helped as well? Dera also wants to point out that this is some mythical deal that I am dreaming up, well maybe it is, however Dera also cant tell me they wouldn't have come back to the table, so my plan would have been just as valid in this sense as the MEC's. I mean if we rejected this, they would have had two options. Furlough or come back with more. My guess is that it is too soon for the furlough talk, especially with the stimulus package that was going through Congress at the time, of which furlough protections were widely known.

At the end of the day, this was a judgment call by our MEC. It SHOULD have been a pilot vote since it involved pay, schedules and the global pandemic. I disagree with the MEC on this one, I choose to be vocal about it, but at the end of the day I do appreciate our union and what they do. If that makes me "militant" so be it.

Yeah I just chuckled when I read that. Like what the hell, what about all the exposure the last two weeks? Some of us have it and dont know it yet. As is the usual, AA?Envoy are always the last to the party on things like employee health/safety/qol.

For clarification,

if we opt to take a 1 year leave , but hiring picks up and they call us before the 1 year, Will we have to return exactly at 30 days notice to return? Will they go by seniority order on recall from leave or how will it work.

Email enypilothour

Or just read the LOA. It is spelled out there.

They won’t really file anything unless individuals file a bunch themselves and then they group them.

They can file an MEC grievance. They have to determine if there is an actual violation here though. It’s definitely a d*ck move, and angers me greatly. Unfortunately, that is not exactly grounds for a grievance.

I know you know this, but I think a small clarification has to be made here.
No individual pilot can file a "grievance" themselves. They are disputes at that point. The union will then discuss them with the company, and if there is a violation they can not resolve, they union will file a grievance and that's where the process starts. Most disputes are handled at this level and they never escalate to a grievance.

So it's not that the union "won't" file anything, it's that the pilots have to send the disputes first. MEC grievances are different but I'm not sure if they see this as a MEC grievance.

I've heard from a somewhat credible source that the issue is that pilots don't file disputes, they just go to facebook or APC and complain about things.

Hopefully enycba website will help with that some.
I remember having a situation in my first year here when I felt the contract was being violated. Talked to contract compliance, was told where to find the DTS and to go ahead and file a dispute, zero further guidance.
Which section is being violated? Uhm... somewhere in this general vicinity, I think? What do you want as compensation? I dunno, what's the going rate? About tree fiddy?

I think the current volunteers, and reps, are more active about guiding pilots through the process.

This is all just a small blip in human history. Everything will be fine. All we need to do is go full steam ahead, rearrange the deck chairs, and listen to the quartet play a bit of Sepultura as we make our way to a large blip of an iceberg.

Nothing like RN resending an HI6 that aged like sour milk.

Reminds me of Baghdad Bob.
We have beaten the infidel virus, all is well and don’t forget your ADS-B call sign

ofc this company is well known to retaliate pilots that go against them.

Not the ones who go through appropriate paths.

Yeah I cringed when I read that today. That dude is either a total ******* or completely out of touch with reality. Small blip, tell that to the families that have lost loved ones.

Can we assume the union will let us know what our lawyer has to say about it or is this just a everyone file a dispute and see what happens kind of thing?

Just remember all you can’t file until after it fails to show up.

I don't know what the union thinks. I just hear rumors from them.
Every dispute gets a response. Even if they choose to withdraw it.
I believe the current consensus is that there is no case. And they will tell otherwise if they find something.

They can’t really do anything until they have disputes to work with to some degree as individual disputes (eventually grouped) show harm.

Not entirely true. They have their list of Alpha 3's; the ones who don't get the short notice PVD/PO/PE vs the ones that do....

i find this hard to believe. they might smile to your face once it’s all said and done, but I’m pretty sure you get on a sheet list

It looks like a new Interactive, as well as System Seniority lists, are uploaded on the ALPA webpage.

Looks like the last and quickest overall flow in the system was at 7.0 years on the dot. That's likely the quickest flow we'll seen in the decade to come.

But it’s a great “backup”. ;-)

What happened to your new hires in training?
Still actively training?
Home with pay?
Home no pay?
furloughed?
Terminated?

Some are home with full pay, some are crawling through training. No-one was furloughed or terminated.

Thanks for the heads up.

I was surprised by the amount of people that took the early retirement.
I was surprised by the amount of people that took the 12 month leave.
I was surprised by the amount of people that took the 6 month leave.
I was surprised by the amount of people that took the 3 month leave.
A lot of people took the 1 month leave, not a surprise.

Overall, very surprised, I’d say.


So the question I have is, with the accelerated parking of the 140s and the scheduled increase in 175s (at least at some point) with both new airplanes from Brazil and the old airplanes from Compass, how and when is pay band B and C altered?

P.S. No need for the local company boy to answer, I’m not really interested in “that’s just the way it is”.

It’s updated every 3 months with the most recent on 4/1. That was after the Compass announcement, but they were not on our paperwork until after. The changes will not reflect until 7/1.

I think they are supposed to actively change the pay every month as people leave/175s come online. Just that the list we can see doesn’t get updated but every quarter.

are we really still getting airplanes from Brazil? Would think AA would stop deliveries.

Brasil is on a lockdown currently, I believe, but there are deliveries planned for later in the year

Last week an email was sent out saying there would be further reductions to May Lines And to watch schedules, has anyone seen this yet, and where?

so far no changes for my 3 sequences that I was awarded. Curious if chopping is done or can still happen.

I think most of the cancellations were in MIA. I had cancellations. They haven’t all been fixed yet. I have no idea if they’re done or not.

I haven’t seen my HSA contribution in my account. Is anyone else having the same issue?

Negative, mine has been on time each pay period.

Looks like big news on the AA thread today. Looks like they aren’t going to need to furlough by October. They will be fat about 1000-1500 pilots until about July 2021. New equipment opened up in Miami and Charlotte. I don’t have an opinion just throwing it out there for the experts.

correction: hoping no need to furlough
lots of assumptions - the biggest that pax return AND that no one else pulls the plug in a BK move.
That will be a certainty for the rest to follow suit. Just like post 9/11 the UAL BK lasted for years and drug everyone else in with them.
Moral of the story - be careful what you wish for - the demise of one could be the bane for the rest.

This is just as I predicted. I already had some of this inside info and knew that any furlough talk was just that. Talk amongst the uneducated and just flat out haters.