The only redeeming/hopeful factor is the fact over half our pilots have been on property for 2 years or less. I think 2020 will be very telling in how the next 3-5 years will play out.

Try to be positive.Things are so much better for everyone on property now, and I know it will continue to improve. I’m flowing next week. Good luck to everyone. Keep improving our workplace. Honestly, I see why some people stay, making 6 figures, on brand new equipment, 16-18 days off, completely commutable schedule, OT 150-200%. I’ve had that for nearly the last 2 years. Now it’s your turn. I’m out of your way. Time to be bottom of 15,000, covering 3 bases in a crashpad.

You mean a new hire coming in at 2500 plus.

Nope. Not wrong about anything. It's strategic. In other words, getting the bodies where they need to be first. MIA expansion will happen. Just not on your timetable.

Just over 2400 at the moment. It will take a long time to hit 2500.

Actual body count is closer to 2400. But seniority numbers, depending on when you look at it and the source reaches 2600.

I don’t have a timetable. How long do we have to wait for YOUR time table, BRAH? You have never explained how the flow is going to get to the level you claim. Put up or SHUT UP, troll.

DECS numbers don't matter. They always run behind. The actual body count is what matters for flow.

The one positive post in a sea of negativity!

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After spending hours highlighting important info to study in the FM1, and to operate safely, I'm feeling super jaded that the company decided to take "extreme ownership" and push a new version with the only real change that M H uniforms are the only authorized uniform. That's real value added.

does the AA FM1 go down to that detail?

I feel this is posturing for something being preceded by all the HI6 messages. You're not wearing the wrong belt, you are operating the aircraft against the FM1 policy in your disciplinary letter.

its frustrating when 99% have good intentions, but it creates a divide for those who do have good will and intentions.

I've been messing around with the data while bored on reserve and for a newer hire that number is more like 90, due to projected retirements at the top of the list.

So you are saying the seniority number to flow for a new hire today is going to be 90? Guess I am not following.

I think his logic forgets the fact that we have lifers on the list who haven't hit the flow line yet. So they will replace, with some unknown ratio, the people senior to 180-ish right now.

Not all pilots on the list retire at 65. Some stay on as training or management pilots.

It’s also going to be hard to predict now that the company can withhold pilots from flowing for disciplinary action. It’s new, so no one has any idea really how the company is going to treat that.

There-ish . Based on a *straight* calculation of retirements from those not flowing, meaning it excludes the exceptions others are pointing out.

This is for a newer hire, so people who are higher up will have a higher number closer to 200. Newer pilots will have a lower number as that group ages out.

In order to keep the number at 200ish, a back of the scratch paper doodle says 4-6%ish or so would have to decline to flow, but I haven’t had coffee yet and I don’t have my laptop so I’m going off of memory.

If someone wants to help get me better data (it can be historical) I can make better models.

So, lets say you are correct and it stays at 100. That would mean someone coming in today with would be looking at about 2300 people to go before they flow. If we average it out to 20 a month that is a 9.5 year flow, assuming averages and my morning math is correct. I also understand this doesn't account for attrition. Matches pretty close to the union flow plan to be honest.

I agree with general math. I don't think peeps will stick around in the current hiring climate.

That’s the straight math that the union uses, correct, which is basically worst case scenario assuming AA is hiring. (So not actually worst case scenario as some here know all too well.)

In the current environment, attrition is really the only significant factor here. My hunch is that the others kind of wash out into error, but I haven’t really studied that closely.

As you move closer (3 years and below) the attrition ahead of you decreases significantly. That’s what I’ve been tinkering with to get closer to actual projections based on tenure instead of the company’s optimism and the union’s. It’s not ready for prime time yet though since I need to figure out some way to make it sustainable.

I’m relying on the union email as well as seniority lists to tell me attrition, so actual data is spotty at best.

I think 2020 will be a telling year.

Its basically 10% of the pilot group per year after DOS. It will always hover around 9.5 to 10 years projected for a new hire doesn't matter how many are on property for a new hire projection.

Today's gift from AAG (to #SkyBest):

"New flying contract with American for 20 new E175 aircraft

• SkyWest awarded 20 aircraft under a ten-year contract, with the anticipated delivery of ten aircraft in late 2020 and ten aircraft during the first half of 2021
• SkyWest anticipates financing the aircraft through debt
• Financial terms of the contract were not disclosed"

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/skywest-inc-announces-fourth-quarter-2019-profit-300996491.html

A very sad day for the WO!

So that still leaves the 20 at CPZ...

I’ve never seen a group of pilots more eager to send their fellow pilots to the street than Envoy. Every pilot is a pawn in corporate’s game. Get your time and get out of the regionals. Don’t step on each other’s necks along the way. Those days are behind every single one of you.

The flow changed who you are as an airline and it’s disappointing to see.

:rolleyes:



filler.

Show us on the doll where Envoy hurt you.

we’re not sending you to the street. Just to the bottom of the envoy seniority list 😂

You want that for your fellow ALPA pilots?

Nope, but I also don’t want someone that chose the wrong place to work to jump in on top of me after I have worked through the crappy times here, slowing down my flow. My lenders and family are indifferent to a Compass pilots woes.

In a perfect world we would all move together but at this regional level it seems to be pretty cut throat and every man/women for themselves. If you think for a minute that someone would give up a flow slot or delay their flow even for a few months just to help out a fellow ALPA compass pilot, you will be disappointed. This is all carefully orchestrated at the mainline level, so don’t take anything I say personally.

daCuj.... that you? Same words posted on another forum. How many screen names you got???
Maybe just stole it from ya...

They haven’t, and won’t.

changed your user name again I see.
moderator, how many accounts is one allowed.

Uhhh yeah he must have. My account’s probably been around longer than his.

AA OTS Hiring uptick
 

Anyone notice an uptick in invites to AA off the street? I read on other groups that AA is changing the recruitment process to make it more efficient. Seems like a bunch of SKW/CP folks are receiving interviews and offers. Hopefully our people are receiving the same considering our dedication to AA exclusively.

We are hiring 1,400 pilots this year. About 70% of those hires will be street hires. A recruiter told me that they don't really care what airlines they hire from off the street. It's all strictly based off of resumés and networking.

Nope, not me. I'm very surprised you didn't twist your post into a sales pitch for Omni. It seems that you have been lowered to only selling yard sale items now while I'm selling the brand new Tesla here. Who do you think will have an easier time? Yep, you got it, me. I have no problem selling American Airlines while you continue to hang out on the corner with a trenchcoat trying to sell knockoff watches. Take that to your next training event.

ROTFL this guy. :D bruhhh SNL is waiting for you

Brah.

Ironic you use the selling a car analogy.

You may be selling a Tesla, but it’s typical car sales tactics. Smoke and mirrors, bait and switch. You THINK you’re buying a Tesla, but you’re getting a Yugo. And you’re going to be paying on that loan for 7-9 years.

So how many of these "street hires" are AA WO guys applying outside the flow? And if that's the case, why doesn't everyone apply "Just in case"?

people are lazy when you have the flow, it’s human nature that the WO’s counting on.