For a while AA hired very few OTS. When they see the flood gates open then I bet people will start doing what they need to to get out of here.

What about you Chief? What are YOU doing to get "out of here?" Kind of hypocritical if you are banking on the flow just trying to talk those above you out of the career of a lifetime.

I didn’t see anywhere where he was trying to talk anyone out of Delta...

Tesla’s blindly drive into barriers head on, have batteries that explode, and are made out of flimsy plastic. Poor choice of a analogy.

Says a guy who has never driven a tesla

try going on a roadtrip in a Tesla, that 200 mile range wont get u too far

Hmm. Look more professional than AA pilots? AHAHAHAHAHA. Seeing as we’re pretending to be AA at an extremely discounted labor rate, I’m feeling like the only way I’d be inspired to heed this call to action is if we had AA seniority numbers.

https://i.imgur.com/RNlBhar.jpg

Envoy pilots are challenged enough being the bottom of all regional feeding aa as per their schedules. They dont need more chalenges.

I am challenged by my embarrassingly small paycheck.

I’m challenged to look professional in a pair of parachute pants and a winged shirt. What did the people look like that these clothes were cut to fit?

It doesn't need selling. Neither does Delta & United.... but you sure are on all the forums trying to sell the AA flow as rational for accepting very sub standard:
wages, work rules, working conditions and treatment by management....

They are still working under reserve rules from the old 16 year CBA. Six years after 117 came in, with no serious attempt to rewrite.... and why? Because the language is so swiss cheese, that management can do whatever they want, whenever they want. Even line holders are basically reserve and subject to reassignment now. Yeah, that's a great quality of life.... hence why they need guys like you trying to sell it for them non-stop. They paying you for it yet?

They could get so many more pilots just by a few simple no cost and low cost changes to how they treat people. Places like Republic do not even have Airport Standby Ready Reserve, meanwhile Envoy can't run without several Ready Reserves in each base. That one issue alone screams mismanagement and incompetence.

All of the problems at Envoy are directly attributable to those in the supervisory and upper management positions. They can oil the machine, but they don't know how it's built.

The pilots are there to work, build hours and experience and to move upward in their careers. There is no excuse for how this management group treats their pilots. It has gotten better, but only by being forced to, not through the wisdom of seeing what changes were needed in advance.

Cujo665,

We need brave men like you in our Union! Semper Fi!

He was in our union. Now with another company.

Accurate post, he was basically run out of the company by management for being too effective as a status rep/union volunteer.

Wasn't there a little something about using sick time while on vacation?..

No, there wasn't. There was a pattern of harassment of union officials by the company. There was taking a vacation and them not allowing a vacation slide, PO, PVD, PE or anything else to cover the few days that weren't covered by vacation time.

Rule #2 of the company says not to be away from work without providing notice. Notice was provided in person that I would not be there the days that were not covered. Therefore the rule was not violated. Rule #2 also says three or more missed assignments is grounds for termination. While the Chief Pilots office could not tell me what the punishment would be for a missed assignment, (not plural since he expected - as I did - that the block of days would be treated as one event) they were fully aware I wouldn't be there those days.

The company policy has steps of discipline. I was fully prepared for the appropriate discipline to keep my family commitment. Between work and the rush of union work, the bankruptcy and CBA negotiations that year, I missed almost every family event of the year. That vacation was also a family reunion. Missing it was not an option if staying married was important.

The company decided to record the single block of missed assignments as separate events each day, rather than as a single event for the block of days which is how they do sick time, missed blocks of 4 day trips and so on. In my case, they recorded them separately and used Rule #2 saying I had three or more consecutive MA's.
They then violated their progressive discipline policy again and said take a CDD or termination. With a family to feed on the meager Eagle wages, I took the CDD for one year. I'm sure being a commuter they expected me to have a MA within the year. Didn't happen.

I could list the many times they removed me from flying to "investigate" violations that they could have resolved with a phone call, or a stop by the CP office. Nope, they'd rather put the PW (paid withheld from service - in other words suspended from flight duty) on your record many times to help their fabricated cases later. They even left one in my file after I gave them documentation proving them wrong, including AA D2 records showing I arrived ready for duty well in advance of a report time.

Eagle/Envoy has fired 4 different union MEC members. One was fired 7 times. Two were fired two times (includes me) and one was fired once. During the heated contract negotiations of 2013-2015 there were two of the seven MEC members fired. Coincidentally these were the two MEC reps who most actively fought for the pilots and against company abuses.

It was still a good company. It still is today. The few executives and managers who take things personally are the biggest problem there. The coworkers were and are some of the best aviators and friends I have ever known. The camaraderie and friendships I made there have endured to this day. I still have many friends there, many in management (though they don't publicly admit it) and many who like myself have moved on to better jobs.

MEGAFUPM, I hope this answered your questions. If not feel free to PM me.

Spoken


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Nothing gets Envoy panties wetter than the thought of taking CP’s 175s.

They are Envoy's 175's. CPZ took them after Envoy voted no on a concessionary contract.

Hmmmm. It would seem you are confused. They have always been Eagle planes, Compass ended up with them because AA spanked us for not playing ball.

Flamebait.

How ‘bout flow? I couldn’t care less about the airplane. Fyi the 175 pay is the same(unless you are super senior)

You guys are 🤡. They are NOT “Envoy’s” planes. Get over yourselves. They are owned by AAG, and they can do whatever they want with them.

Dont act ignorant about the history. You know what we mean, those planes "were supposed to come to Envoy" and were only withheld from us because of a contract dispute. If you dont know the history, you shouldn't be chiming in.

Just like you “were” supposed to get all future 175 growth for AA too, right? Ha, how’d that turn out with the new SkyWest AA 175 flying?

Let's not forget the silent expansion by republic for american in Miami. Boston, LaGuardia, Newark, Charlotte and last dca. Yeap, all future growth will not beat w/o's.

SkyWest AA flying will not be in AAG owned planes. Ultimately you will probably see those planes more or less replace the Compass flying and the AAG owned planes Compass is flying will come to Envoy.

The SkyWest order is not financed by AAG. All newly ordered 175’s by AAG are contractually required to come to MQ. But I’m glad that you think that you know our contract.

Leave it to the Republic pilot to tell you how it all works :)

oh really, then I guess SkyWest did not take a copy of the agreement with aa for these aircraft to the bank to get a better deal. never say never.

Pay is based on seniority only. Same seniority gets paid the same regardless of airframe.

A few more 175’s WOULD, however, move the ratio a bit to allow a couple more CA’s to get the higher rate.

Those two things are not at all the same. The 175’s were actually promised to EGL. It wasn’t some rumor or general statement. That said, it’s true that they all belong to AAG... but only because Tony screwed us and handed them away. The whole fleet used to belong to EGL.

You're going way way back there and a bunch may not even realize that all happened. Even the transfer rights. Look at your AC registrations.... under the original jobs protection pilots went with the planes. Pretty sure those registrations now say A.A. not Envoy.

yes tony, what a sleaze. Had direct transfer of all pilots to aa in one day with the aircraft but tony and alpa thought it better to get more flows spend more time at eagle/voy while aircraft were transferred immediately. What an alpa screw job to eagle pilots and the mec lied about everything.

Oh please, miss us with that Republic is the best best thing slice bread madness. You are known for wishing the same in regards to republic operating E-175s for United vs ExpressJet.

what are you saying?

my read on it was that he says skywest is the best

Emails not permanent
 

Wanted to share advice from a lesson learned.

Screenshot any email you received that could be remotely valuable in the future. They can be recalled, and any coordination promised; lost.

I get that emails can be recalled, but never saw it done in a questionable manner.

Watch your pay like a hawk, and the corrections to errors equally as much.

All from a friend of course!

Are you talking about HI6’s or regular AA emails?

If regular AA email you can set up a rule in outlook that automatically forwards everything to a personal email you set up purely to store everything as a backup.

AA Email. Yes forwarding to commercial email would be as good or better than screenshots.