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martyByrde 02-13-2020 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 2976024)
oh , Karim...the guy whose birthday just so happened to fall on the day the last vacancy closed....funny how that works

And as expected, bid 175 DFW

Cujo665 02-13-2020 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by martyByrde (Post 2976181)
And as expected, bid 175 DFW

the meeting minutes should be out soon too if they already aren’t. It’s interesting after agenda item 25. Watered down some, but clearly there. Has some more growing up to do.

He’s young. He has a good heart though. Give him a little time and guidance and he will eventually make a good union volunteer. it takes a lot to put yourself potentially in managements cross hairs. He was willing to do that, most aren’t.
credit where credit is due.

CLE to IAH 02-13-2020 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2975462)
continuous duty overnight

username checks out :-)

MqWhistleblower 02-13-2020 12:52 PM

On a more personal note Karim is the proper definition of scab. That kid fits right at PSA

rld1k 02-13-2020 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2976187)
the meeting minutes should be out soon too if they already aren’t. It’s interesting after agenda item 25. Watered down some, but clearly there. Has some more growing up to do.

He’s young. He has a good heart though. Give him a little time and guidance and he will eventually make a good union volunteer. it takes a lot to put yourself potentially in managements cross hairs. He was willing to do that, most aren’t.
credit where credit is due.

Nah, we can find union volunteers that aren't totally self serving

uavking 02-13-2020 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 2976292)
On a more personal note Karim is the proper definition of scab. That kid fits right at PSA

The kid sounds like a real winner, but let us not cheapen the term. It has a very specific meaning in labor, and particularly in this industry. Did he cross a picket line or fly struck work? Then he is not a scab.

MqWhistleblower 02-13-2020 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2976382)
The kid sounds like a real winner, but let us not cheapen the term. It has a very specific meaning in labor, and particularly in this industry. Did he cross a picket line or fly struck work? Then he is not a scab.

Granted! My understanding is that he was trying to lobby his upgrade with the company. Pretty damn close to being a scab.

MEGAFUPM 02-13-2020 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 2976407)
Granted! My understanding is that he was trying to lobby his upgrade with the company. Pretty damn close to being a scab.

Actually not close at all. He was trying to further his own career, can't fault him for that, everyone should try to get out of here as fast as they can. The way he did it however was not smart and shouldn't be back in a union position anytime soon. But definitely nowhere near a scab.

dera 02-13-2020 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2976417)
Actually not close at all. He was trying to further his own career, can't fault him for that, everyone should try to get out of here as fast as they can. The way he did it however was not smart and shouldn't be back in a union position anytime soon. But definitely nowhere near a scab.

"Not smart"?
Understatement of the year right there.
Not a scab. But he likely would be given the opportunity. To "further his own career".

dera 02-13-2020 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2976086)
That is one hell of a coincidence.

My sources tell me it really was that. No need to see conspiracies where none really exist.

dvtpilot 02-13-2020 05:06 PM

Not a scab. But nowhere near trustworthy, that’s for sure.

Also, didn’t know Dera was a union guy. You’ve moved up quick in your time here! At least you take the time to do the work and get educated, as far as I can tell.

havick206 02-13-2020 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2976430)
My sources tell me it really was that. No need to see conspiracies where none really exist.

Agree, the company isn’t that smart.

Tyrion 02-14-2020 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2975280)
This isn't entirely accurate, is it?
There has never been a policy when a block of MA's are considered a single event. Especially when they are just before your scheduled vacation block. And even more so after posting pictures from Disney during those missed days.

And you're also skipping the last part of the story.

You sure have a lot to say about this for a FO barely off probation...

Gooch 02-14-2020 09:28 AM

^Captain Co-Pilots know bro...or management🤔 #imapilot

ninerdriver 02-14-2020 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by SparrowBird (Post 2976106)
Who wears David Clark's at an airline?

Ask this guy:
https://www.envoyair.com/2016/09/14/now-offering-industry-leading-pay-to-new-pilots/

buddies8 02-14-2020 01:22 PM

Maybe envoy should include headsets with the luggage they give new cadets .

NoValueAviator 02-14-2020 06:02 PM

If management found a way to help out KS it wouldn't be the first time.

Lots of people wear DCs here. They don't pay us enough to afford Bose and those of us on the jungle jet need something with a good NRR to deal with the constant whooshing sound. Sometimes I like to close my eyes and pretend I'm on a 757-200 going .86.

dera 02-14-2020 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2977130)
If management found a way to help out KS it wouldn't be the first time.

I'm sure it wouldn't, but it was not the case. No point to spin that, it's just not true.

ninerdriver 02-14-2020 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2977130)
Sometimes I like to close my eyes and pretend I'm on a 757-200 going .86.

https://i.imgflip.com/3p9wdy.jpg

NoValueAviator 02-14-2020 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2977135)
WHOOSH

das it mane

although judging by them epps that guy is already flying something quieter

FAIPMAFIA 02-14-2020 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2973256)
No, there wasn't. There was a pattern of harassment of union officials by the company. There was taking a vacation and them not allowing a vacation slide, PO, PVD, PE or anything else to cover the few days that weren't covered by vacation time.

Rule #2 of the company says not to be away from work without providing notice. Notice was provided in person that I would not be there the days that were not covered. Therefore the rule was not violated. Rule #2 also says three or more missed assignments is grounds for termination. While the Chief Pilots office could not tell me what the punishment would be for a missed assignment, (not plural since he expected - as I did - that the block of days would be treated as one event) they were fully aware I wouldn't be there those days.

The company policy has steps of discipline. I was fully prepared for the appropriate discipline to keep my family commitment. Between work and the rush of union work, the bankruptcy and CBA negotiations that year, I missed almost every family event of the year. That vacation was also a family reunion. Missing it was not an option if staying married was important.

The company decided to record the single block of missed assignments as separate events each day, rather than as a single event for the block of days which is how they do sick time, missed blocks of 4 day trips and so on. In my case, they recorded them separately and used Rule #2 saying I had three or more consecutive MA's.
They then violated their progressive discipline policy again and said take a CDD or termination. With a family to feed on the meager Eagle wages, I took the CDD for one year. I'm sure being a commuter they expected me to have a MA within the year. Didn't happen.

I could list the many times they removed me from flying to "investigate" violations that they could have resolved with a phone call, or a stop by the CP office. Nope, they'd rather put the PW (paid withheld from service - in other words suspended from flight duty) on your record many times to help their fabricated cases later. They even left one in my file after I gave them documentation proving them wrong, including AA D2 records showing I arrived ready for duty well in advance of a report time.

Eagle/Envoy has fired 4 different union MEC members. One was fired 7 times. Two were fired two times (includes me) and one was fired once. During the heated contract negotiations of 2013-2015 there were two of the seven MEC members fired. Coincidentally these were the two MEC reps who most actively fought for the pilots and against company abuses.

It was still a good company. It still is today. The few executives and managers who take things personally are the biggest problem there. The coworkers were and are some of the best aviators and friends I have ever known. The camaraderie and friendships I made there have endured to this day. I still have many friends there, many in management (though they don't publicly admit it) and many who like myself have moved on to better jobs.

MEGAFUPM, I hope this answered your questions. If not feel free to PM me.

by any chance was Chris Warren involves with this?

Cyio 02-15-2020 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by FAIPMAFIA (Post 2977164)
by any chance was Chris Warren involves with this?

I think this was before CW, but I wouldn't put it past him. He kind of made up the rules as he went along.

goldenbear1 02-15-2020 06:26 AM

Spirit
 
Hate to be that guy but does anyone know where to find the verification code to list for a jumpseat?

black cat 02-15-2020 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2977330)
I think this was before CW, but I wouldn't put it past him. He kind of made up the rules as he went along.

Whoever this CW cat is must've been quite a character. He's on APA's radar for not getting voted in.

Cyio 02-15-2020 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by black cat (Post 2977458)
Whoever this CW cat is must've been quite a character. He's on APA's radar for not getting voted in.

He was the ORD CP and yes, he was about as anti pilot as they come. He would at times go out of his way to wreck people and often played favorites. I hope he never makes it to the CPO at AA.

shinydiscoballs 02-15-2020 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2977480)
He was the ORD CP and yes, he was about as anti pilot as they come. He would at times go out of his way to wreck people and often played favorites. I hope he never makes it to the CPO at AA.

CW was a great chief pilot and a leader. Sometimes in today's society and or an organization you need leadership like that (create fear) to maintain direction and stability or else chaos.

Cyio 02-15-2020 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs (Post 2977491)
CW was a great chief pilot and a leader. Sometimes in today's society and or an organization you need leadership like that (create fear) to maintain direction and stability or else chaos.

He wasn't a chief pilot nor a leader. You can look at the former DFW CPO and now their new CPO as examples of chief pilots and leaders.

CW got pleasure out of causing fear and anxiety amongst the pilot group.

pitchattitude 02-15-2020 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs (Post 2977491)
CW was a great chief pilot and a leader. Sometimes in today's society and or an organization you need leadership like that (create fear) to maintain direction and stability or else chaos.

Yeah, sure. In the same way that Dictators are great leaders.

martyByrde 02-15-2020 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs (Post 2977491)
CW was a great chief pilot and a leader. Sometimes in today's society and or an organization you need leadership like that (create fear) to maintain direction and stability or else chaos.

CW, is that you???

dera 02-15-2020 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs (Post 2977491)
CW was a great chief pilot and a leader. Sometimes in today's society and or an organization you need leadership like that (create fear) to maintain direction and stability or else chaos.

He was 5 foot nothing of human trash.

MqWhistleblower 02-15-2020 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs (Post 2977491)
CW was a great chief pilot and a leader. Sometimes in today's society and or an organization you need leadership like that (create fear) to maintain direction and stability or else chaos.

hey Chris. How’s mainline treating you?

slantgolf 02-15-2020 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs (Post 2977491)
CW was a great chief pilot and a leader. Sometimes in today's society and or an organization you need leadership like that (create fear) to maintain direction and stability or else chaos.


yeah? like that tie when he made a huge issue of captain add fuel? such that some people were afraid to take extra fuel? all of the captains landing with 1200lbs those following weeks probably loved him.

FAIPMAFIA 02-15-2020 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by shinydiscoballs (Post 2977491)
CW was a great chief pilot and a leader. Sometimes in today's society and or an organization you need leadership like that (create fear) to maintain direction and stability or else chaos.

For ******** sake hell no! Don’t you ever used leadership and fear in the same paragraph. True leadership is humble and servant. Also CW was not well liked at Envoy for multiple reasons. Asked your union reps.

HobGoblin 02-15-2020 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by slantgolf (Post 2977775)
yeah? like that tie when he made a huge issue of captain add fuel? such that some people were afraid to take extra fuel? all of the captains landing with 1200lbs those following weeks probably loved him.

CW didn’t do that? Wasn’t it the CRJ fleet guy, who got subsequently got returned to the line for that?

FAIPMAFIA 02-15-2020 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by HobGoblin (Post 2977813)
CW didn’t do that? Wasn’t it the CRJ fleet guy, who got subsequently got returned to the line for that?


I’m pretty sure it was CM who did that and not CW.

NoValueAviator 02-15-2020 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by goldenbear1 (Post 2977397)
Hate to be that guy but does anyone know where to find the verification code to list for a jumpseat?

ask someone from the JS committee

dera 02-16-2020 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by slantgolf (Post 2977775)
yeah? like that tie when he made a huge issue of captain add fuel? such that some people were afraid to take extra fuel? all of the captains landing with 1200lbs those following weeks probably loved him.

That wasn't CW.
CW called captains asking why they deiced when others didn't. And then gave them C&C because of "unnecessary" deicing.
Micromanaging crap like that.

MqWhistleblower 02-16-2020 12:45 AM


Originally Posted by FAIPMAFIA (Post 2977822)
I’m pretty sure it was CM who did that and not CW.

That’s correct. CM is a good guy but not the sharpest tool in the shed.

FAIPMAFIA 02-16-2020 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 2977895)
That’s correct. CM is a good guy but not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Well he was a marine so...... Lol

tommy2times 02-16-2020 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by FAIPMAFIA (Post 2977929)
Well he was a marine so...... Lol

Easy now Air Force puke.


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