looks like they're getting 6 mos paid leave at 55 hrs/mo. while 2-3% of us are dying from chinese coronavirus in 2 star Holiday Inns in Ohio lol

Union at work. Nuff said.

At what point are we being needlessly exposed to risk of catching this? Given we can’t get tested before going home I find it comical that restaurants in multiple states won’t allow people in yet here we are, flying around groups all day long.

will there be some sort of hazard pay for all of this?

Loads have been pretty light in the 140. Im talking single digits most trips which is “good” less exposure. But you got a point, I wish the company would come up with a plan

what if the plan is a few of us die and some of us lose our medicals, and they "right size" the pilot group to demand that way LOL

I am not seeing that on the 175. Been in the 40’s and 50’s every single flight.

Where the heck are you flying? I’ve had business routes on typically heavy business travel days with pax counts in the 20’s. Heck, on a Monday morning (as in today) I had single digits to the HQ city of a Fortune 50 multinational; as many non-rev as rev pax. Not to mention that loads are not necessarily an indicator of yields...

Most of the flight loads are wayyyy down, single digits to mid-teens on the 145 & 175.

Total & indefinite hiring freeze at Envoy announced today.

Yet we're gonna staff 20 more Embraer 175s next month.

They will be parked initially, I think.

They will have to be brought on to the Envoy certificate first anyway.

These planes wont need full conformance checks, so that process is quick.

They will need to go through conformity checks before they can be added onto the certificate. Depending on the extent of the work that needs to be inspected and corrected it can take some time.

-Keep the dirty side down

Based on the two announcements coming in the same email, I’m guessing there is a major drawdown on 145 to cover the transition.

Pure speculation though.

Flowbacks...... Like it or not it is being discussed.

No it isnt.

They can get new hire positions at ENY without any input from ALPA. If AAG wants to do that, frankly, who cares. The previous flow back guaranteed them CA seats. That’s what caused the real problems. THAT would have to be negotiated with ALPA and put to a vote (hopefully). I can’t imagine that would ever gain any traction.

They can get new hire positions at ENY without any input from ALPA. If AAG wants to do that, frankly, who cares. The previous flow back guaranteed them CA seats. That’s what caused the real problems. THAT would have to be negotiated with ALPA and put to a vote (hopefully). I can’t imagine that would ever gain any traction.

no it isn’t.

I am or I guess was a new hire in one of the upcoming classes. I did not find out about the hiring freeze from Envoy, but from you guys/gals on APC and my friends in this airline. I wish they would come out with an email or phone call telling us what the heck is going on for all of us. So far, us new hires are still left in the dark and it has been nothing but crickets.

sounds like you’ve started training already.

He said upcoming class. All future classes have been cancelled. No idea if they’re rescinding offers for when we do start hiring again, but that could be years and I imagine the answer is yes. They may not have a plan themselves yet, which may be why the people haven’t been told.

i was being sarcastic since he’s getting no guidance from the company. Get it heh

The old flow back agreement expired. They want to flow back if needed but freaked out in the AA thread when it was brought to their attention it’s no longer in our contract. For the Envoy union officers out there: if the flow backs happen WITHOUT a pilot group vote this time around expect a pretty big uproar.

Every word of that is correct. Unfortunately, I expect our union to cave to an agreement without a vote for some flow assurances. Just learning from experience.

^Truth. Not wanting to union bash nor threatening anyone. I just don’t think the new group is gonna go quietly into the night if that were to come into fruition now that the PP’s are gone. #GWOTTrapLordz

IF that happens, we need to be in AA’s seniority number, bare in mind junior guys would potentially be furloughed.

Well now that no one is flowing that can’t be used as a bargaining chip and the argument of “the guys before us got to flow back..” ain’t gonna work. Our group would need to be smart and squeeze a little more blood out of that stone. No ones gonna hang around for the next 5-7 years on a stagnant list with current QOL just to be pushed into a furlough so some one with the same type as 65% of our pilot group can make alimony, Porsche payments, and Brazilian girlfriend bribes. That’s all I’m saying.

I have some very credible sources who say this will not happen.

I hope your sources are on point. I really do. It’s not what I’ve seen from this union though. In fact, in my short time here, I’ve seen union reps say one thing all they way up until it matters... and then say something else. No confidence from me.

I hear what you’re saying, but we do have some new people. Lets give them a chance.

I am very confident of which position Dera is in, so I will go out on a limb here and say his sources are probably pretty good, however sources often change their mind at the last minute. I mean our current MEC ran on the fact that he was one of two no votes on the big LOA due to the fact that he felt the pilots should vote. Guess what happened on his first deal, he signed it without letting the pilots get a vote...

So, I won't hold my breath. If flow backs happen, it will be a **** storm unless we got something amazing, like I dont know, AA seniority numbers. Most know I am a huge fan of flow improvements, but in this case they are worthless due to no hiring. It would have to be a mandatory 50% of all AA classes or something to even be considered.

Stop negotiating here. If you work here, there are other ways for you to voice your opinions and ideas.

100 percent

WE have a difference of opinion. It just doesn't matter what we say here, the company will negotiate down to THEIR desired number or it simply won't happen. They already know what they are willing to accept.

To think that they listen to anything we say here is foolish. If they did, we would all be in a better spot right now. Besides, lets hope they do listen and give us seniority numbers and the 50% of each class was their offer back in BK that we foolishly turned down. Not like I am saying anything radical or new.

Hey guys,

Has Envoy completely stopped taking in applications and interviews?

Thanks

Not sure about applications or interviews, but training, upgrades and new hires has been suspended indefinitely.

Have they actually stopped upgrades too? The email only talked about New Hires.

Disregard...
There’s a more recent email out I hadn’t seen...

it looks like people currently in training will finish. Anyone as of Monday the 23rd will be postponed.

The only negotiating at Envoy is filing grievances.

At the moment there are no flow back clauses in the contract.

Personally I wouldn’t negotiate anything, let it happen then file a grievance and goto arbitration. There’s really nothing to negotiate, this one is pretty binary, there’s no way to skew words.