Blah blah blah, troll, blah blah blah.

you do understand aa cannot furlough due to the cares act until October 1st 2020 under current agreement with goverment.
so I will wait as everyone else is for October new blast.

only have to wait until August. WARN act requires 60 day notice.

He was referring to an announcement over at AA. I don’t work there, but what I gather from their forum they received a vacancy/displacement notice that included staffing assumptions through next summer. It did sound like relatively good news (compared to UA). Based on those assumptions they may not need to furlough. Assumptions eventually get replaced with facts on the ground, but for now...

Even without furloughs, the cascade of training events will create a backlog to training that will stop hiring in the best of circumstances. Look at what the retirement of the MD did.

Agreed. When the dust settles I would bet that AA doesn't hire until the first quarter of 2022.

I’m sure this has been mentioned but is our training center open for recurrent and upgraded?

Recurrents only

Thank You!

Go %#}* yourself you piece of 2€^{. His head is so far up his own %{^ that he’s blind. Continue spewing your nonsense. You don’t respond directly to anyone messages. You just spew out your ji#% hole what daddy wants you to spew. Maybe one day you’ll pull your head out, but I highly doubt it.

CSLOA approvals?
 

Anyone have any insight on approval rates for CSLOA? First go around I was denied but hoping for some better luck this time. Some decent opportunities out there right now but not worth giving up an airline job for.

On the first go, I thought they said they would approve all requests.

Not approved?

Have you not consolidated yet?

-Keep the dirty side down

I’m also surprised they didn’t approve it. How many months did you ask for?
Even the 12 month is surprising, but if they denied a 1 or even 3 month I’d bet good money there was either an error or miscommunication of some kind.

Did you get an email stating you had been entered into the program? You should have gotten one once you submitted the form acknowledging that you completed it. If not, you must have made an error or there was an error on their side.

The first time I submitted it was straight up denied. The denial came about 2 weeks after submission.

“Your request for a Company Subsidized Leave of Absence is not approved due to operational needs at your station.”

The second time I got a confirmation that it has been submitted but I Haven’t received a decision yet.

“This message confirms your request for the CSLOA/VEOP Program. Here are the details of your submission:

Program: CSLOA (Company Subsidized Leave of Absence)
Length (If CSLOA): 12 months”

And yes, I have consolidated.

Base/seat?

Miami/ FO ....... At this point just knowing when we’ll receive an answer would be great.

So they wont give you a company sponsored LOA at a base with zero lines. Makes perfect sense to me.

-Keep the dirty side down

The list was posted over the weekend on the ALPA webpage. Looks like three MFE were awarded a leave.

I did see that. Not sure when those individuals submitted their CSLOA requests though. I’m sure it was well before the 8 May deadline for it to have posted so soon. It took me until the last day to commit to it. (May regret it if it’s accepted, damned uncertainty)

and the comment about not offering CSLOA to a base with 0 lines.... envoy has been good to me and I really can’t complain too much, good group of crew members here.... but scheduling, damn. Some perplexing decisions are made there. Like when you can’t drop a trip that’s a dead head to ORD to fly an airplane with 5 people of which 3 are a full crew on the equipment you just flew them on for them to take a loss day in AZO... lol.

Coming off 1 month CSLOA, how do I bid for June? It doesnt look like I am “active” on FOS, so do I send the CPO my bid and they enter it?

If this is like mil leave, just let the CPO know the issue. If there is time, which there is, they will notify the proper offices to make you active again. It involves a sign off from training, security, and some other office. Once made active, then you can bid yourself.

In a pinch, the CPO is supposed to bid for you if this process above fails or was not accomplished in time.

Email the CPO. They should be able to activate you, but if they can’t they’ll help you get it submitted. ORD CPO has been very helpful to me with that kind of stuff.

If they do get you activated, I highly recommend bidding early. They can fix stuff, but you don’t want to be doing it at 11:45 on the 20th.

Looks like the CP birds are going to be in service soon. Just a few weeks ago they were talking about storing them for 6-12 months.

Yup, word just came out last week at the higher levels that the storage plan was scrapped and these were slated to fly ASAP. Traffic is picking up and the forecast for June and July are looking better than planned. Great news for Envoy and it's tracking what I've been saying for the past 2 weeks that we are coming out of this and demand is slowly returning.

Given your track record on “inside information”, I expect them to announce furloughs tomorrow...

I’ve heard the 140s are coming offline sooner than later, NYC flying closed by end of year and 140 mtx bases to follow. Plan to speed up those compass birds and expect a lot of 175 training in the next year. Disheartening news since I’m based in New York. But who knows what actually happens...

These birds weren’t scheduled to fly forever. Now that the CP birds are home and with the drop in demand, it’s a great time to phase the 140s out. Expect most of the CP 175s in DFW initially with some LA fly through.

Well, there was a line or two in a company email a couple days ago that mentioned all short term parked airplanes returning to service by June 3rd. That seemed so far off base from what's been going on that I figured something was a mistake. Then I just saw this article:

https://simpleflying.com/american-embraer-returns/

Looks like at least Envoy will be busy this summer.

Shut the F up. Higher levels, give me a break. You have consistently been wrong with your “inside” info so don’t act you like you are some sage of information.

The only reason we are doing it is because we are cheaper than mainline crews. This is a cost savings measure, nothing else and should be looked on as a bad thing. More regional flying means less mainline flying which means we work longer for significantly less pay, less qol and less retirement/vacation.

Couple all of that with AA stock being at an all time low today and I see very little to be excited about.

Read the article I posted. We're bringing all our short term storage planes out of storage to put them back to work. Part of that is because we're going to cover mainline flying as you say... but we're the only regional feeder that's getting the green light too. WE will be busy. But if mainline and all the other AA regionals are sitting on the sideline, I'd hardly call the industry bouncing back like that doofus is posting.

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Could just be RJ market share changing. What are Skywest, Mesa, and RAH, Eagle flights doing?

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• Demand for air travel will lag behind pre-coronavirus forecasts for at least five more years, according to the latest projections from an industry trade group

The International Air Transport Association, or IATA, says global traffic will still be about 10 per cent below original estimates in 2025.

The IATA doesn't see travel recovering to last year's levels until 2023, but says factors that drove a decades-long boom in air travel ultimately drive up demand.

13 May 2020

But I’m sure THKoolAid has better inside information than IATA.

YX will have 54 of their 85 Eagle planes flying in June.

that doesn’t mean demand is returning. It just means outsourced flying from legacies to cheaper operators to provide coverage. As previously stated, that is not a good thing.

And that's a little misleading, as it's a daily average (I saw 53) that is drawn down a decent chunk by the reduced flying for AA on Tuesdays and Saturdays. Most of the days in June have 61 airplanes flying.