These are full time lines on a part time footprint/block. This is tantamount to paying pilots who are senior enough to hold one of these lines a cash bonus. I am sure the MEC is fine with that, My disbelief is that the company would do it.

OK I may have misspoke. I wasn’t aware of that as I have t seen them yet. I thought they snuck in part time lines.

Perhaps enough people took the stupid 19 hour deal that they felt this would be doable. I don’t know.

versus paying new hire bonuses and dec pay.

So if you’re senior and live in base is there any reason not to bid reserve? You get 3 extra hours of pay and you’ll never get called to fly.

Where are you all even seeing this? I haven't received anything and don't even see the May lines on eagle-quickbid. Am I missing something?

company website. Bidding resources

That is exactly what I would do. There is very little chance you would ever be called next month. In addition, not that everyone feels this way, but it would help commuters by having lines to bid instead of sitting reserve. If you live in base reserve is so much easier.

I understand though and this is certainly a choice each will have to make on their own.

many thought they would be 11-12 days off lines but if that was the case they’d be paying a lot more on per diem and hotels, so I see why these lines look this way.

It’s just gonna suck for anyone holding a junior spot

23 days off with 72 hours credit. I'll take that over 11 days off with a slight risk of getting called.

That was the initial plan. They got it changed at the last minute.

I guess it depends on how senior you are.

I just did a cursory read through of the contract and didn't see any glaring issues. What exactly would make this illegal for them to do? I could be wrong but I didn't see anything.

Again, to each their own, but if I lived in base I would be bidding reserve to help commuters. Again, so people don't jump down my throat, I totally would understand why someone wouldn't do that as well.

you prob would not.. some of these 4 day trips are 20+ hours... if you have 19 days off I’ll take a wild guess you’ll help yourself.

I'm sure it's legal for them to just give us free money. I think the contract dispute, if anything, is going to come from everyone who took the CSLOA getting buyers remorse.

Yeah well, its not like people didn't scream it was a bad idea. I don't want to start down that argument path again so won't say much more on it. However, the reason for everyone to be OK with that deal was that it was free and was good for some people, so what has changed? Even still, this line building will only benefit the first 60 or so pilots, at least for ORD, so if you couldn't hold one of these lines the 19 hours may still be a good thing if you don't want to commute/sit reserve, again assuming it was good for you initially.

I think you think I want to take away people's money. Absolutely not. If I get my way, everyone sits at home with pay.

I just can't believe it, and I'm waiting for the "finalized bid packet" shoe to drop or something.

This is it.

Sucks for all those poor b**trds who took leave

No I didn’t think that at all, was just jabbering away waiting for dinner to get done. I agree as well, we should have a deal that allows the most to stay home with livable pay.

I just hope I can hold a line lol.

The company is asking for iPads back for those that took this leave, but the original plan also had us attending recurrent.

how is this going to work when I don’t have reference materials?

Good question. It’s either/or in my opinion.

https://mq.comply365.net/default.aspx
You can log into all of your manuals via Comply 365 on the company website. Home/Departments/Training/Flight Training

Thanks!

Seems like an ass pain. Hopefully that’s not their vision.

its not like the company has a need for the iPad, we aren’t hiring!

When and will they offer another leave? I think I might actually take a leave next time.... things are not looking good

Next comes the warn letter.

I would think that just about every airline employee in the USA will get one on 8/1

United contract is 90 days, so for them will be 7/3.

The WARN letter will go to the unions of unionized airline employees.

If it doesn't doesn't come 8/1 that does not mean that every passing day pushes furloughs out another day. There are certain exceptions to the 60-day requirement related to a faltering company, unforeseeable business circumstances, and natural disasters. Standards for meeting these exceptions seem generally based on how how others in the industry react to the circumstance.

So it appears the company didn’t get enough people to take their PLOA and are opening up again.

My question is, in regards to unemployment, has any successfully applied and received unemployment pay while on this program?

Looks like the company has opted to offer another round of CSLOA's and VEOP's effective June 1st.

I recommend not taking the CSLOA until the company drops its foolish demand of returning the iPads. It’s not a documented policy, although they are claiming it is. Jumpseat access should also be addressed.

Just playing devils advocate here but what does it really matter if you have to send it back? Is it just the hassle of the whole thing?

It’s inconsistent w/ the requirement to stay proficient for recurrent and their ability to cancel the LOA. It was also not mentioned during the CSLOA negotiations, or mentioned before the application deadline. There’s no Envoy policy that requires it, it’s simply the company inconveniencing those that are helping them.

Yes, the documents are online, but yes, it is a PITA since they insist on people still doing recurrent.

No real reason to hassle with taking them back.

And why should you lose JS and KCM? No reason. Someone said it wasn’t the company that pushed that part. With current loads, JS isn’t really an issue, but KCM is still nice.

Do they offer the same options, a one year leave?
It would probably be a good idea to give leave before laying people off. The senior guys cost more, so I’m sure they will prefer ppl to take the leave option than to lay off, right?

Pilots are at 1 month intervals that the company can extend based on need.

I’m not seeing that the LOA can be extended at 30 day intervals, just that additional CSLOAs may be offered with 30 day notice. (Which this new window was NOT given 30 day notice of)

Hypothetical question:

Come October 1 and the company starts furloughing. Say they furlough everyone below a certain number. Call it “NNNN”. If you were hired after “NNNN” and you took the CSLOA, is the CSLOA terminated and you are furloughed as well, or do you finish the term of the CSLOA before your furlough starts? Does everyone hired before “NNNN” have to come off the CSLOA?