They will recall you and furlough you. CSLOA does not work as furlough protection.

Yeah basically this. Hence the reason it is best, if it works for you, to just keep bidding lines as normal and get full pay until October, most likely flying significantly less, at least in the near term.

I cant honestly believe this program was brought back due to "popular" demand. Has the union released how many pilots have taken it?

They posted the results to all four Facebook groups as well as to the Envoy ALPA website. https://www.alpa.org/eny/-/media/ENY...%20RESULTS.pdf

No one seems concerned about the CASS, KCM, and badges. Seems the company gives an answer/excuse for why not possible and the union is glad to not push back and accepts policy as an answer. Not enough folks are aware that AA guys who took the 50 hours for perm leave till 65 have full cockpit Jumpseat rights, CASS, and KCM... until they retire, yet will never fly again. Let that sink in...

We, on the other hand, are supposed to remain proficient for 19 hours a month yet are not to be trusted to sit up front on a plane, or even keep an iPad to read a company manual during our pathetic paid LOA.

Another point of concern. Warm up sims upon return to remain proficient. Nothing promises these. On the last call the tone was that it would not be unreasonable to ask company for warm up sims to help individuals who took LOAs. Keeping JS and iPads costs nothing, and it's not happening. Does not build confidence on the sim issue as sims cost significant money. Just take people offline who cannot pass a recurrent cold turkey and save 19 hours of pay a month on that person. Genius! Fire the person for not maintaining proficiency is full blown Stephen Hawkins genius when fat on pilots.

Anything can be negotiated, policy can be changed, and I get a feeling we are not getting the whole story from one side at least, maybe both. These LOAs do cost and should have had a lot more details ironed out before being signed. Maybe another chance this next round.

Sorry, dont have FB and didn't see a notice of the posting on ALPA. Thank you for the link. So, more took it than I thought but in reality it still doesn't seem like it was a lot. I say we just keep collecting full pay until they offer something better.

Management compensation
 

Has anyone heard anything about Envoy management taking any reduced compensation to help with cost savings, or is that just for the workers?

One of the emails from RW said they had taken a reduced salary. I don’t remember exactly, but I don’t believe there were any specifics.

Couldn’t remember for sure and couldn’t find that in any of the propaganda I saved.

I guess it is a small consolation then, at least.

I don’t remember the date. It was in the email where he said that everything they were doing was focused on saving pilot jobs.

I couldn’t care less if they take a pay cut. I just don’t want to take one.

a one dollar less salary qualifies for the statement of reduced salary. More b.s. from mgt. Show me their contract agreement.

Was the CSLOA opened back up? I didn’t see a HI6 about it.

Company email. It is open again for June.

Back by popular demand. 🙄

Thanks

filler

Did I miss that we are supposed to turn in our iPad?

How do I submit expenses for sending my KCM and Company ID to the CPO?

I thought you keep the ID, just not the iPad and KCM.

It’s going to cost them more to keep track of this than it would anything. There is no expense for everyone to just hold on to everything.

I’d keep everything until given instructions how to get them back to the company if they want them back so badly.

The popular demand part cracks me up. But it does make sense that they try to run another one. There are 14,000 employees at envoy on the ramp and customer service side. Places like LAX have no flights and people sitting around doing nothing. They are probably costing the company a lot more than the pilot side of the house is.

Full pay until the last day

So going over some of the seniority lists, it would appear that ORD is going to have a **** ton of reserves in June. I mean 44 lines doesn't come anywhere close to halfway through the list on the 175 there. If you are a commuter, would it be wise to take the horrible 19 hour deal just to avoid commuting in for perpetual reserve?

if you held a line before and are going to reserve now there’s 0% chance you’ll be used unless you proffer for something.

If I were a commuter, I would take it.

It seemed wise to me. I can make money elsewhere, but I can’t replace time with family.

Depends on if you need the pay. 56 hour pay difference. I dont care what pay step you re on, that pays for well more than the hotel rooms you d need.

I commute but need the pay so it s not worth it to me. Granted, it s an easy enough commute I didnt give this much thought.

Nothing is an easy commute these days.

It is if you re close enough to drive of you need too. But yes, I know what you mean.

Yeah a line would normally be a no brainer but damn, 44 lines is tough. The commute isn’t easy normally . Need to do some serious thinking about this I guess. It just makes me sick to think about actually using that ploa.

F/A's are being asked to voluntarily come off of CSLOA in June in DFW due to the addition of 2,000 hours of flying from another contract carrier who operates in DFW.

OK, here's the worst case scenario math.

We're looking at 19 hours on leave vs 75 hours on reserve. So a difference of 56 hours. If you are on the lowest pay step in the company, that be $50.71. That 56 hour difference equates to $2,839.76. Assuming needing hotels and they cost $100 per night (they'd be cheaper), you could get 28 hotel rooms before the leave paid better. Wort case scenario, you need 20 hotel stays, 4 of which the company pays for so 16 hotels that you pay for. So, back to using $100 for the cost of a hotel room ($1600), you'd come out $1,239.76 ahead by skipping the leave and doing reserve. And this is a worst case scenario where you never are able to proffer out of first day AM raps and are never able to get assigned to an overnight. Of course, if you're on a higher pay step, this tilts even farther away from taking the leave. A CA on step 3 small jet pay would be $2,908.56 in the positive. A CA on step 5 big jet pay would be $3,590.08 in the positive.

But that's only money angle, some will say the difference isn't worth the time away from home/family but no one can calculate the value of that to an individual. And some will have other means of making money while on leave that may exceed what they'd get if they stuck out reserve. I'm not really arguing against those things. Just pointing out the money difference.

This is interesting. Is this being added in time to be a part of our June lines?

Source?

Do you have numbers on how many FAs took the CSLOA in DFW?

You can see the cities in the May open time flying. MKE, TYS, FSD and a couple others were Mesa overnights. Assuming the same will show up next month.

Again, if you held a line before and find yourself on reserve in June, there is literally 0% chance you will be called.

there was a union update sent out the flight attendants by email.

Thats a dangerous game to be playing. Not saying it isnt played, but yikes.

Under normal circumstances, yes. When there's daily 30-40 people below you with at most 1-2 trips per day in open time, no.

"Captain Smith this is Todd from CS, you have an assignment. You need to report to the CPO in 2 hours."

Maybe.

I was talking to a guy that held a line in April in ORD but couldn't in May. I made the same comment to him and he said there were a lot of senor people that bid reserve so he wasn't as far up the list as I would have thought.

Things like this make people bid different than usual and that can mess up your plans.

CPO encouraging people to drop trips also factors in w reserve folks being used more than usual