CSLOA (12 months)
 

Anyone actually taking it?

Why would anyone do 12 when 1 is getting approved and co. can call you in with 1 month notice anyway?

I don’t guess I understand your logic here. If company can call you back in 1 month, why not take the 12 and they’ll call you when it’s time to come back?

Are you Dallas based? With the 1 month leave, YOU can call THEM and say you're coming back. With the 12 month leave, you are not guaranteed any more than 30 days, but lose the ability to recall yourself.

no I’m LGA.

Has anyone heard back on this? Did they acknowledge your application or approve your request?

Do you think they will offer another leave if things don’t improve come summer time?

Isn’t the deadline for all these leaves April 10th?

That's what some of the ALPA reps seem to think based off of company communications. This is merely a first round of offerings to see what kind of interest they can generate.

Then they need to communicate that to the pilots so that those interested can make an informed decision as to whether to take this offer or wait for a better one. I don’t see the union being proactive in helping us make these decisions.

The purpose of the MEC ratifying the LOA was to put the decision in YOUR hands, “because it doesn’t cost us anything.”

If not many take the leave. Then i suspect they will furlough or offer another leave. If they furlough, will they furlough ppl on leave first or go by seniority

And you’re basing this on what info exactly?

Unless there is a huge reversal in passenger travel over the summer, or another bailout tied to protecting jobs, there will be furloughs coming in October. If they happen, it will be in reverse seniority order regardless of LOA status.

Furlough is from bottom to top.

My bad misread the original post, there wasn’t a question mark so didn’t realize it was a question and not a statement.

Furlough bottom to top as others have pointed out.

Less than 10% took some form of leave. I’m guessing we didn’t have enough takers

Obviously not. Only downside though was we lost two weeks or more trying to game the system instead of just rejecting it outright.

Oh well. Fingers crossed something more livable comes across the table so each time I fly home I am not worried about infecting my family.

Much higher participation than expected.
Time to see if this was enough for them.

Don't squeeze your fingers too hard. And definitely don't hold your breath.

If this is the case and they got enough, I suppose it will at least have the benefit of easier line bidding/trading. My guess is this is heavily tilted to the senior folks and the fresh out of school folks. Ones that have enough already and ones that haven't started families and can afford the pay gap.

Like I said, is what it is at this point.

I wonder what the number would need to be in order to have enough savings? I mean, I feel like it would need to be above 50% of the pilot group based off of how many flight cancelations/reductions they keep telling us about.

Keep hearing of 90% reductions to summer flying on a lot of routes so keeping 1000 pilots around still seems like a lot.

Is it to late to apply for the leave.:rolleyes:

lol yes. Closed yesterday at 5pm

Enough savings for what? They aren’t going to keep pilots on because they can “afford to”. No matter what RW writes in his emails, furloughs and cost savings are independent of each other. If there is demand to fly airplanes, they’ll keep pilots on board. If there is no demand, they’ll furlough. Paycuts and/or temporary leaves won’t affect that. They won’t furlough someone in Oct if they think they’ll need them back in May. They also won’t stay intentionally overstaffed for 2 years just because we make it a little cheaper.

For now, I think they are just trying to survive the Summer. They’ll try and assess long term demand trends after all the “shelter in place” stuff is lifted.

I'm sorry, but you kind of bounced all over the place with this statement and the way I read it, contradict yourself. We all get they are trying to survive the summer, there isnt any issue with that. What I was referring too was why pay 1500 pilots 72 hours a month when the staffing only requires 750 pilots. Would be better to pay the other 750 50 hours to sit at home. My question was I wonder what number becomes the break even point and if they have reached that with this 19 hour deal.

Yeah, I probably was unclear. I may have misunderstood you as well.

From the company point of view, it makes sense to get as many pilots on leave as possible.

From a pilot point of view, I don’t think we are helping avoid furloughs by taking leaves. If the leave works for you personally, I’m all for it, but I don’t believe that these short term leaves will have any effect when the decision comes on whether to furlough or not.

I would assume the ability to fly on leave makes a difference. I’m one of those people who isn’t smart enough to do anything else. I’m a trained button pusher :-)

The company said it was targeted at military folks.

Most guard units are begging for full time workers. None of our part timers are allowed on base right now and all the governors are eyeing the guard (which is their right) as disaster relief if their state gets hit.

i hope enough of us took it to take care of those with limited options. We’re in this together, and I look forward to flying with you all again!

Yeah, I saw you punched out for a while.
Have fun, dude.

ok im 100% biddin a line for May. :p

The early christmas present is out :)

Looks like part time lines crediting 72 hours lmao.

I feel bad for anyone who took the LOA.

Next question, can the LOA be legally refused?

they pulled a Qt again haha

They’re just helping you pad your accounts before furloughs start. 30hr blocks but paying 72 isn’t sustainable long term. Good luck to all.

Yeah because that's what mgt at envoy looks out for, your financial well-being

Waiting for the MEC take. I don't know how it can be real.

The MEC approved part time lines for May already. What would be the problem?

what after you've accepted and been approved, check the wording. I'm going with nope you asked and you got it until leave is up.