I’d guess that the N6D won’t look much different in June than it did this month (At least in ORD where it’s roughly the same line count next month). If one takes a look at usage patterns, the odds of getting called have been minimal. In that scenario, taking a CSLOA v bidding rsv is just leaving money on the table.

See my prior post regarding the math, I agree with your last sentence and that's even WITH commuting in to cover the reserve schedule and paying premium for hotels.

So you consider 30 less lines on the 145 and 45 less on the 175 for June roughly the same in ORD? Lol

The actual quantity of flying is roughly on par. Heck, that’s even less likelihood of getting used if you consider that the rsv list will be that much fatter. (Unless you’re so junior that you’re within 5 of the bottom on the list; then I can’t help you.)

It doesn't matter how many people are above you. It's the number below you that matters if you don't want to get called.

That's what I've been saying...

Not with everyone oinking up the OT.

true. I think the companies plan to try and stop OT had an opposite effect. But it wouldn’t be extreme ownership on their part if they allowed us to use QuickTrade again.

It sure did, but heaven help you if you’re a junior not-safe reserve who needs to commute and thus stuck in a crash pad. Some “brothers and sisters” don’t have 20 days off to pick up OT with.

This month definitely created some haves and have-nots. While that is, in fact, how it works, it’s still discouraging and frustrating for those who will have to call up CS to maintain landing currency while others line their pockets out of spite.

Unpopular opinion, I know. But I think it went too far.

A lack of unity only helps the company, and this has created a divide.

I don’t think there are many people that really pick up OT out of spite. From what I can tell, everyone picked up their normal amount of OT. There’s just not much flying out there, OT or otherwise.
There’s also very little going to RSVs because there are almost no delays. I can’t remember the last time I flew a leg that wasn’t both a terminating flight AND 20 mins early.

Also, most reserves I know see flying as a negative, not a positive.

Some picked up extra. They bragged to me about it on more than one occasion, one time just after I had just consoled a really junior FO, worried about being first out the door with low TT, low turbine time, and no hope of either because they hadn’t flown all month.

It’s everyone’s right to use the contract to their benefit. That’s just how it is and I don’t contest that. Seniority is earned, and comes with privilege. Period. The end.

There isn’t enough to go around right now and it will affect some, regardless of what anyone does. It’s just gross when someone rubs it in your face and brags about all of the money they’re making. With reduced flying, if you’re taking more than you need, who are you really screwing?

What base and seat are you in? This is the complete opposite of what I have seen. Very little OT to pick up in general and most aren't willing to commute in for it.

I’m in ORD. This all happened while with/through DFW. There is more flying down there. Maybe that’s why.

When the furloughs start, can senior people choose to get furloughed as well? Why do they set a deadline for CSLOA applications? They should just keep the application open cause they have the option of approving the leave anyway....

They are closing the CSLOA before making the bid packets so if they don't capture enough people they can take away or worsen lines to incentivize taking it next month.

I don’t think that is true. From what I understand the process is pretty involved and has a long lead time. The lines were likely set before the CSLOA bid was closed.

I dont believe so, it would run in reverse seniority order. I agree it would be nice if that was an option, as I have an opportunity to try another career field but it has about a 4 month lead time to get going in it. I would gladly take the 12 month deal or even a furlough to save someone who doesn't have that ability, however I still need to make money while waiting. This would allow another to keep their job while allowing me the time to decide if this other career is the right fit.

I know I know, asking a lot, but hey a guy can dream right?

Exactly my sentiments. I just think they should keep the leave offer open for the time being

Looks like the newest list is posted on the ALPA website.

https://www.alpa.org/eny/-/media/ENY...%20AWARDS.xlsx

If they are going to approve the leaves in seniority order, they have to have some cutoff. They can keep offering again, but it probably just saves administrative hassle doing it once a month.

As for the furloughs:
I used to be at an outfit that had a pretty good furlough clause. If they announced an involuntary furlough, they were required to simultaneously offer a voluntary one. It was equivalent to an LOA. Seniority, longevity, travel and health all continued as though you were active (except JS). Anyone who took the voluntary furlough, replaced an involuntary one. It saved quite a few involuntary furloughs.

You have the same here if anyone reads their contract except for the travel and benefits

Unless there’s an LOA altering what’s in the contract (which is entirely possible), I don’t see anything like that in there.

A. We furlough in reverse seniority order. No voluntary option.

B. It’s true that you retain seniority here, but no longevity accrues. At my other airline it did. I may not have been clear about that.

C. Keeping travel and health are a big deal.

I couldn’t find any LOA. What you said is accurate. Travel and benefits loss is huge.

My apology, was thinking displacement in place of, you are correct nothing in contract referencing furlough in place of.

Any word on offering another round of CSLOAs next month?

With all the news of the aircraft coming back online I would be highly surprised if they offered it again, at least to flight crews.

I’ve heard they’re asking FAs to come back early.

I’ve heard the same thing.

I mean they can keep paying me for free, I don’t mind. The way things look, I’ll be just sitting at home getting paid as a senior reserve for the foreseeable future. In my opinion they should just offer the leave again and keep it open, just makes business sense.

This is Envoy management we are talking about here, business sense and helping the pilot group rarely see the light of day. My guess is, they have picked up a lot of flying that isnt on the schedule yet and will be dumped into OT, hence the influx of aircraft coming back. Hunch would be reserves flying a lot.

CSLOA (12 months)
 

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Excuse my ignorance, but where is this info coming from that ENY is pulling planes out of storage?

THKooj, feel free not to answer. I neither respect, nor believe, anything you post on here.

“A special thanks to the EASI and MQT teams for all they have done to quickly and safely park planes, preserve them, and now return them to service. Now, EASI will begin work on making N208AN ready for revenue operations in June,” said Senior Vice President Air Operations, Dee Temples. “We expect to have all of the E175s and E145s that we parked as a result of COVID-19 returned to service by June 3. The rest of the ex-Compass E175s will be placed into service with Envoy over the next few months, adding to our growing E175 fleet.”

From the News@Envoy daily email, May 12

I’ll believe it when I see it

Thanks, I didn’t see that

Are all E140’s returning to service, too?

F/A's also have a TDY bid for DFW in June. I don't think we are going to see any more CSLOA's for pilots. Hopefully, they don't recall the ones who took long-term leaves.

Something in DFW is going down with Mesa. And by that I mean in addition to what we’ve been told already. We are taking a lot of their flying on the 145. Makes sense that they’re bringing FA’s back.

What are you seeing? Few routes that I have seen aren’t much different and some even have more Mesa flights.

After seeing your post, I asked a FA about it and she knew nothing about it. Not saying your news is bogus... I know pilot TDYs have been base to base specific, as in, they designate where the pilots are coming from as well. Maybe they only sent out the HI6 to the flight attendants in effected bases and she wasn’t in one of them. But it is weird none the less. She did volunteer up that they’ve been asking FAs to come off leave.