Well, this thread was fun for a minute.

 

Is this supposed to be a refutation? Diversity is one of AA's top priorities in recruitment, they openly state this at job fairs.

 

your entire persona is to **** people off. Pretty pathetic really.

 

Yep, it's a refutation. Last I checked, for every one black and/or female mainline pilot I see, I see seven or eight 29-year-old white guys, never mind all of the older white guys.
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Normally I don't respond to these type of posts but you in particular have been very consistent in going after me regarding everything I post. And I noticed that YOU DON'T EVEN WORK HERE! How should anyone take you seriously if you left?

I decided to respond because I have several YEARS of post history on TA and have been VERY consistent there, just as I have been in here with all of my posts.

 

So what? Why are you checking and why do you care?

 

I don’t think any of us really know (or can even guess) what will be a competitive application once the majors start hiring again.

It will likely be years before any of them hire again. UAL and DAL are threatening furloughs of up to 3000 pilots. That is, of course, a worst case scenario, but a furlough like that means they won’t hire new pilots for 5-10 years. AA seems better off on that count, but they still seem to be on the edge of furloughing or not. That means they are looking 18-24 months out and seeing themselves still likely over staffed. Even without a furlough they likely won’t hire for a year or two.

I’ll concede the caveat that COVID happened really fast. It could disappear just as fast. It could also get worse (or just stay bad). In all likelihood though, there will be no Legacy hiring for over a year, and it could be closer to a decade before we see the hiring environment we had 6 months ago.

 

We've got to play with the cards we've been dealt. Remember, it was my/our choice to accept employment with Envoy. This great country actually allows us to determine where we want to work. Imagine that!!
As it's been stated, zero "Envoy" pilots have flowed. While that comment is factual, it's also misleading in that Eagle pilots have flowed. The flow is what it is. 5.5 years or 9+. It's not happening until AA starts hiring again. WHEN they do, the "flow" will have significant merritt. Someone here mentioned that there are 2 airlines worth of pilots that are on the street, fully qualified and hungry for a job. Having a flow will at least mean that we have a path to move on. We have a job, while others have been not just furloughed, but fired due to their airline dissolving. While it may be trendy to bit*h on this site, I'm going to try and stay on the positive side. Covid threw something at us that we didn't see coming...and couldn't. We need to adapt. What was a reality 4 months ago, now isn't. Speaking for myself, I'm happy to still have a job.

 

Thanks, Tyrion, for a well reasoned fact based post.

Only thing I would add is a few years ago the Envoy “flow” was 25 years or so. (Yes, I recognize it was not technically a flow, but that is about how long pilots were at Envoy / Eagle before getting hired at AA.)

 

I really don’t know why people ******* on the flow. It should be a backup plan, and if the flow were to be 8-9 years, I would rather be stuck at envoy as opposed to another regional for 9 years and wondering “well if I had a flow I could be at a major airline right now...”