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AV8R72 06-30-2020 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3083380)
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Pilot furloughs are expensive, it's entirely possible they decide that pilot furloughs are worth it and it's better to be a little fat on pilots for a little while, particularly when looking at the retirements that are coming. And while I recognize that's the positive spin, it's still a realistic possibility. Nobody knows yet what the real answer is and I'm sure while the company is talking to the union about 'solutions' the company message is going to be that 'it's bad'.

Doing it this early is Ric being decent and saying “hey get your crap ready for furloughs”.

if they would offer another LOA, I think more would take it now. I know I would. I have rotor jobs lined up that I didn’t have last time they offered.

The question I have as a junior FO is will they suspend the language to allow FOs to bid aircraft to aircraft. I hope not, bc I want to be displaced from the 145-175. If they do a vacancy and allow FOs to bid birds I’m stuck on the 145 for years, on reserve and not flying

highfarfast 06-30-2020 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 3083375)
Just remember that we are flying under a bankruptcy contract. SAY NO TO CONCESSIONS

I wholeheartedly agree with this take. Also want to add, cost saving measures will not save jobs. The company will furlough or not furlough based on demand. Cost saving measures really doesn't effect demand.

AeroEnvoy 06-30-2020 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3083380)
This/\

Pilot furloughs are expensive, it's entirely possible they decide that pilot furloughs are worth it and it's better to be a little fat on pilots for a little while, particularly when looking at the retirements that are coming. And while I recognize that's the positive spin, it's still a realistic possibility. Nobody knows yet what the real answer is and I'm sure while the company is talking to the union about 'solutions' the company message is going to be that 'it's bad'.

I think so too. I think the company will fear monger us into taking concessions with threats of furlough even if furloughs are not being seriously considered.

highfarfast 06-30-2020 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 3083383)
Doing it this early is Ric being decent and saying “hey get your crap ready for furloughs”.

if they would offer another LOA, I think more would take it now. I know I would. I have rotor jobs lined up that I didn’t have last time they offered.

The question I have as a junior FO is will they suspend the language to allow FOs to bid aircraft to aircraft. I hope not, bc I want to be displaced from the 145-175. If they do a vacancy and allow FOs to bid birds I’m stuck on the 145 for years, on reserve and not flying

Eh, Rick isn't doing this to be decent.

I don't think it would matter if they 'relaxed' the language. The "proffer to displace" option I think would function as a vacancy unless there's something special in that provision regarding FOs or something (been a while since I read it). It's not the same thing but if you could have held it if there was a vacancy, you could probably hold it with proffer to displace if there's no vacancy.

shinydiscoballs 06-30-2020 09:42 AM

And this year we were suppose to hire almost 800 pilots smh. What a crap of an industry? Another lost decade, why would anyone throw away $250k to do this job behooves me.

Garbage men have better pay and work rules!

CaseTractor 06-30-2020 09:46 AM

Anyone else notice on his official email in outlook it now says Richard instead of Ric... but what does it mean???

place is getting more formal... full names from here on out!

MqWhistleblower 06-30-2020 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 3083392)
Anyone else notice on his official email in outlook it now says Richard instead of Ric... but what does it mean???

place is getting more formal... full names from here on out!

he probably got tired of people calling him d* ick wilson

AV8R72 06-30-2020 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3083389)
Eh, Rick isn't doing this to be decent.

I don't think it would matter if they 'relaxed' the language. The "proffer to displace" option I think would function as a vacancy unless there's something special in that provision regarding FOs or something (been a while since I read it). It's not the same thing but if you could have held it if there was a vacancy, you could probably hold it with proffer to displace if there's no vacancy.

I guess I didn’t realize how it works. So proffer to displace goes in seniority order instead of reverse?

tommy2times 06-30-2020 09:51 AM

That Cleaner job at a “porno film set” sounds about good now!

Studentloandebt 06-30-2020 10:16 AM

How exactly do downgrades work?


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