Originally Posted by Eclipse (Post 3090926)

For the record, thread title is misleading. QuickBid still sorts the lines and you can still use the script files there to automate inputting your bids on PC and Mac. Only the app methods are broken because you can't send keystrokes to apps on mobile devices.



Made nowhere close to that. People everywhere can choose to pay for convenience for all sorts of things but you're implying I am a bad person here because I recovered costs? I spent a lot of my time working on it. Had to teach myself to code. liteSabre at AA is $20 a month but I kept the price at $5 for QT so people could have lots of P2P options for trading.



Exactly. I understand that QB and QT are not protected by the contract and the union is not obligated to protect them. The contracts protect what the majority of crew members want from being taken away by the company at a whim. The company just proved that anything not in the contract WILL be taken away at a whim. So what is the answer? If crew members want something like QT, it needs to be in the contract.

So now you'll say, "But MH, why should the union have to fight to put your side business in their contract? Isn't that totally self serving?" To which, I would reply "Because unions fight for what their constituents want." I would then elaborate that QuickTrade by name should NOT be put into the contract, but the idea of it (a point and click interface for the ATTOT system) is what should be put into the contract. Envoy could then use QT to fulfill the contract until such point in time they develop one of their own or whatever else happens down the road. All that would matter is that crew members finally got a system that wasn't from the 60s anymore.

Until very recently Appropriations were not protected by the contract. People wanted them and the union negotiated a LOA and now it's in the contract. Do the crew members at Envoy want QT enough to put it in the contract? That is the question the union should be asking.



Thank you, this means a lot. All I ever wanted to do was help people make their work schedules better. And no one else was doing it.

Originally Posted by Eclipse (Post 3090929)

No, not all revenue is profit. People always guess that I'm making way more than I actually do. But you are right that I am not starving.

Originally Posted by Eclipse (Post 3090926)

For the record, thread title is misleading. QuickBid still sorts the lines and you can still use the script files there to automate inputting your bids on PC and Mac. Only the app methods are broken because you can't send keystrokes to apps on mobile devices.



Made nowhere close to that. People everywhere can choose to pay for convenience for all sorts of things but you're implying I am a bad person here because I recovered costs? I spent a lot of my time working on it. Had to teach myself to code. liteSabre at AA is $20 a month but I kept the price at $5 for QT so people could have lots of P2P options for trading.



Exactly. I understand that QB and QT are not protected by the contract and the union is not obligated to protect them. The contracts protect what the majority of crew members want from being taken away by the company at a whim. The company just proved that anything not in the contract WILL be taken away at a whim. So what is the answer? If crew members want something like QT, it needs to be in the contract.

So now you'll say, "But MH, why should the union have to fight to put your side business in their contract? Isn't that totally self serving?" To which, I would reply "Because unions fight for what their constituents want." I would then elaborate that QuickTrade by name should NOT be put into the contract, but the idea of it (a point and click interface for the ATTOT system) is what should be put into the contract. Envoy could then use QT to fulfill the contract until such point in time they develop one of their own or whatever else happens down the road. All that would matter is that crew members finally got a system that wasn't from the 60s anymore.

Until very recently Appropriations were not protected by the contract. People wanted them and the union negotiated a LOA and now it's in the contract. Do the crew members at Envoy want QT enough to put it in the contract? That is the question the union should be asking.



Thank you, this means a lot. All I ever wanted to do was help people make their work schedules better. And no one else was doing it.

Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3090770)

I have communicated with MH on numerous occasions. In those communications it was obvious to me he was working in concert with Envoy to make sure everything was kosher with them. And why wouldn't he? He was an Envoy pilot. If he didn't, he'd be subject to personal retaliation from management. Now he's flowed to AA so still under that AAG microscope. The QT shutdown was a blindside to him just as much as it was to us. QT shutdown had nothing to do with Spot. You can blame COVID, or management retaliation, or even Trump if you want but it had absolutely nothing to do with "poor business practices" by MH.

The current QB situation... I can see how you'd go that direction since it was known Spot was on its way out. It's thin... and maybe that works for you if you have such a thin skin you need to go down that road. However, the value in QB is the sort feature which still works (I can't even remember if there was a charge for the bid app). AND there are other ways than using the apps for easy bid entry. So I don't see a lot of "poor business practices" here either.

Perhaps if we didn't have a union that told us "that's just the way it is" when asked about contractual issues you wouldn't get such accusations about weak or lazy union representation and we wouldn't be testing your thin skin.

In the mean time, MH just had the rug pulled out from under him on QT, QB, while not dead, is being limited somewhat, and he's junior enough at AA to be sweating furlough. He's definitely had a better impact on my QOL at The Envoy since I came on board than any single union member has so MH and his work gets my support. YOU? Nope. Not with comments like that.

Originally Posted by Eclipse (Post 3090926)

For the record, thread title is misleading. QuickBid still sorts the lines and you can still use the script files there to automate inputting your bids on PC and Mac. Only the app methods are broken because you can't send keystrokes to apps on mobile devices.

Exactly. I understand that QB and QT are not protected by the contract and the union is not obligated to protect them. The contracts protect what the majority of crew members want from being taken away by the company at a whim. The company just proved that anything not in the contract WILL be taken away at a whim. So what is the answer? If crew members want something like QT, it needs to be in the contract.

So now you'll say, "But MH, why should the union have to fight to put your side business in their contract? Isn't that totally self serving?" To which, I would reply "Because unions fight for what their constituents want." I would then elaborate that QuickTrade by name should NOT be put into the contract, but the idea of it (a point and click interface for the ATTOT system) is what should be put into the contract. Envoy could then use QT to fulfill the contract until such point in time they develop one of their own or whatever else happens down the road. All that would matter is that crew members finally got a system that wasn't from the 60s anymore.

Until very recently Appropriations were not protected by the contract. People wanted them and the union negotiated a LOA and now it's in the contract. Do the crew members at Envoy want QT enough to put it in the contract? That is the question the union should be asking.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 3091005)

As you know, even if we have that in our contract, AAG will not grant you DECS access without going through their approval process. So just get it done (I understand you are in process of doing so right now), and hopefully we will get QT back.

Appropriations is a bad example. The company wanted them, and that is why they were offered. The Union has no method on forcing the company to negotiate something it does not care about. The first opportunity to do so is the limited reopener later this year.
Based on some credible sources, QT does not seem to be very important for the pilot group to negotiate for.