That's cute. There isn't a single thing that will be negotiated at mainline that will benefit anyone at Eaglevoy. (Heck, APA probably won't even do a good job of protecting their own.) Plus, if anyone needs a reminder of our management-labor relationship, just go back and search for union commo from last year around failed AIP time.

In other news, 1941 guys at DL get furlough notices next week as announced today. Fun times ahead for this industry.

Envoy NEVER does ANYTHING for the benefit of the employees. They will choose the cost neutral option that gives the employees the least.

I normally find you particularly distasteful but for you, who has gotten none of your "inside" information predictions correct, to offer false hope to those that are looking down a black hole, is just awful. Not only are you wrong, but APA has not, are not and will not lift a finger to help us, so anything going on up there is for your/APA's benefit. Congratulations, you have sunken to an even lower new low.
Exactly. We are not even a consideration for APA unless they are hoping to negotiate some sort of flow back agreement and even then, it would be for their benefit not ours.
They didn't want to incur the training costs of the 175 drivers coming back after this. Still seems odd to me, as they will have to still train all these furloughs eventually. Anyway, Envoy doing anything that resembles something positive for us is simply a cloak and dagger game.
Exactly.

He was at rock bottom then found the door that leads to rock bottoms basement.
He’ll probably spin it to say that envoy pilots have the pleasure of learning something from mainline pilots if they get a back flow. Or some other flame retardant BS.

Nope. APA won't even protect its own pilots unless they are senior wide body types. Ask anyone you know over here at AA what's been going on lately. It's not pretty, and we are all extremely angry at APA. So with that being said, they don't even know who Envoy is. Don't expect any life lines from them. And no, there is nothing going on behind the scenes here at AA that will magically save us, let alone the wholly owned regionals.

Everyone from Parker on down is simply waiting/hoping for Cares 2. Otherwise it'll be a bloodbath. Thanks, APA.

Is that crap on a stick LOA over at AA limited to the 2500 with WARN letters, or could they potentially WARN more pilots and put even more on zero time/part time lines eventually?


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OK. AAG just announced furloughs of 19,000 personnel. Face it it’s time for you to SHUT UP, crawl back into your make believe world and quit posting BLATANT LIES.

Kooj, it's time to retire that screen name. Your prediction fell apart less than a day later, you have no credibility.

They can send out as many more warn letters as they want. For now it's the original 2500 that got shafted by APA with no lube. But now that the genie is out of the bottle and ZTLs have been unleashed, AA will use that as a starting point.

I thought ALPA was bad when I was at Eagle (Envoy). APA makes me miss ALPA and everything else about Envoy. Yeah, it's that pathetic over here. My only hope is that as more of us come over we'll slowly change things from within.