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But seriously 08-25-2020 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by FetaCheese (Post 3116045)
They can send out as many more warn letters as they want. For now it's the original 2500 that got shafted by APA with no lube. But now that the genie is out of the bottle and ZTLs have been unleashed, AA will use that as a starting point.

I thought ALPA was bad when I was at Eagle (Envoy). APA makes me miss ALPA and everything else about Envoy. Yeah, it's that pathetic over here. My only hope is that as more of us come over we'll slowly change things from within.

Unfortunaley, probably around 30-40% of the people who just got their furlough notices are guys that “came over”.
Timing is everything in the industry. It’s also mostly blind luck.
Most of those guys fought through a lot of rough times at EGL on to get to AA and suddenly find even harder times.

havick206 08-25-2020 01:26 PM

Roughly what year/month of new did the furloughs and ZTL’s go back to?

Voski 08-25-2020 01:39 PM

You know, every generation of pilots has its “stuff.” Millennials get plenty of crap, but admittedly the Millennial generation has been continuously beat down by post-9/11, post-2008, COVID, increased costs of education, cost of living, wage stagnation, etc. Career progression has been downright difficult if not near-impossible. I feel for the Eagle guys that finally made it to AA and now are going to be on the street. Life isn’t fair, but they can’t catch a break.

UnprotectdPilot 08-25-2020 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Voski (Post 3116084)
You know, every generation of pilots has its “stuff.” Millennials get plenty of crap, but admittedly the Millennial generation has been continuously beat down by post-9/11, post-2008, COVID, increased costs of education, cost of living, wage stagnation, etc. Career progression has been downright difficult if not near-impossible. I feel for the Eagle guys that finally made it to AA and now are going to be on the street. Life isn’t fair, but they can’t catch a break.

Quoted for emphasis.

6ix9ineYearFlow 08-25-2020 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Voski (Post 3116084)
You know, every generation of pilots has its “stuff.” Millennials get plenty of crap, but admittedly the Millennial generation has been continuously beat down by post-9/11, post-2008, COVID, increased costs of education, cost of living, wage stagnation, etc. Career progression has been downright difficult if not near-impossible. I feel for the Eagle guys that finally made it to AA and now are going to be on the street. Life isn’t fair, but they can’t catch a break.



So how about more leaves of absences????

Varsity 08-25-2020 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Voski (Post 3116084)
You know, every generation of pilots has its “stuff.” Millennials get plenty of crap, but admittedly the Millennial generation has been continuously beat down by post-9/11, post-2008, COVID, increased costs of education, cost of living, wage stagnation, etc. Career progression has been downright difficult if not near-impossible. I feel for the Eagle guys that finally made it to AA and now are going to be on the street. Life isn’t fair, but they can’t catch a break.

yep.

The normal career boomers had seems to be an exception. These macro events are far further reaching with our more interconnected world.

MikeTang 08-25-2020 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 3116080)
Roughly what year/month of new did the furloughs and ZTL’s go back to?

Aug 2018 ----

SeniorGummer 08-25-2020 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by MikeTang (Post 3116111)
Aug 2018 ----

And unfortunately, this is just the first wave.
Those thinking CARES 2 is going to do anything other than postponing the inevitable must be sharing adult beverages or illegal substances with The Stooge.

dk104444 08-25-2020 08:15 PM

How is it that we have 3 regionals dead in the water, Every major and LCC forloughing and somehow the highest paid Endevour gets to sing along and start new hire training again?

TransWorld 08-25-2020 08:56 PM

My bet is eventually two, if not all three, WO will be combined into one airline. Reduces overhead costs.

I know some say each has a separate certificate, so it can’t happen. Matter of time to get everything under one company.

i know some say they want three to whipsaw against each other. In the current environment, in the next few years, there is not much whipsawing to go around.


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