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dera 08-25-2020 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3116360)
My bet is eventually two, if not all three, WO will be combined into one airline. Reduces overhead costs.

I know some say each has a separate certificate, so it can’t happen. Matter of time to get everything under one company.

i know some say they want three to whipsaw against each other. In the current environment, in the next few years, there is not much whipsawing to go around.

Single transportation system definition by the NMB. It has been done before at Eagle.

But seriously 08-26-2020 12:59 AM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3116360)
My bet is eventually two, if not all three, WO will be combined into one airline. Reduces overhead costs.

I know some say each has a separate certificate, so it can’t happen. Matter of time to get everything under one company.

i know some say they want three to whipsaw against each other. In the current environment, in the next few years, there is not much whipsawing to go around.

This is exactly the time for them to whipsaw. They’ll cut costs by playing us off each other to avoid furloughs.

ninerdriver 08-26-2020 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by dk104444 (Post 3116352)
How is it that we have 3 regionals dead in the water, Every major and LCC forloughing and somehow the highest paid Endevour gets to sing along and start new hire training again?

Honestly? We got extremely lucky.

We were having a hard time filling classes recently, so we were understaffed for the flying that was coming pre-COVID. The word last winter was to expect a summer of credit pushes.

Compass and GoJet were on their ways out with Delta already. Delta axed their flying early, which meant there was less pain to spread. OO went west. We're filling the gaps in ATL, DTW, and (to a lesser extent) MSP.

We're the cheapest DCI carrier left. Our pilot pay is higher, but we don't have the overhead that other airlines do. We use a lot of Delta infrastructure, which doesn't cost Delta much more.

In conclusion? Still extremely lucky.

Tyrion 08-26-2020 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3116360)
My bet is eventually two, if not all three, WO will be combined into one airline. Reduces overhead costs.

I know some say each has a separate certificate, so it can’t happen. Matter of time to get everything under one company.

i know some say they want three to whipsaw against each other. In the current environment, in the next few years, there is not much whipsawing to go around.

"Combined" might be wishful thinking. I think the current playbook is to shut down one carrier, and offer you "preferential hiring" at the survivor. Senior Captain close to flow one day, new hire F/O at the bottom of another regional seniority list the next. May the odds be ever in your favor.

buddies8 08-26-2020 02:38 PM

Expect the worst from dougie and the gang.

MqWhistleblower 08-26-2020 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3116888)
Expect the worst from dougie and the gang.

no big surprises there

FetaCheese 08-27-2020 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3116069)
Unfortunaley, probably around 30-40% of the people who just got their furlough notices are guys that “came over”.
Timing is everything in the industry. It’s also mostly blind luck.
Most of those guys fought through a lot of rough times at EGL on to get to AA and suddenly find even harder times.

Yeah, tell me about it. I'm one of them. Stagnated through the original AA bankruptcy, US Airways merger, numerous contract wars, watching as Parker and Kirby began to dismantle Eagle before our very eyes, etc. Now this. At least the Cares act looks like it'll get extended. I've been in close contact with APA's Government Affairs Committee and they are extremely positive that it'll pass. 99% done were the exact words used. That'll help all of us for now, and hopefully a vaccine and new political landscape will have changed things for the better by next Spring.

TransWorld 08-28-2020 07:34 AM

Combining WO
 
Check in with me in a few years. We will see what happens. May you live in interesting times, as the proverb says.

But seriously 08-28-2020 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by FetaCheese (Post 3117713)
Yeah, tell me about it. I'm one of them. Stagnated through the original AA bankruptcy, US Airways merger, numerous contract wars, watching as Parker and Kirby began to dismantle Eagle before our very eyes, etc. Now this. At least the Cares act looks like it'll get extended. I've been in close contact with APA's Government Affairs Committee and they are extremely positive that it'll pass. 99% done were the exact words used. That'll help all of us for now, and hopefully a vaccine and new political landscape will have changed things for the better by next Spring.

Sorry to hear it. I was furloughed in another life. The uncertainty was definitely the hardest part, but in the end, I think it actually put me on better path than I was on. You never know...
Here’s hoping CARES 2.0 comes to the rescue.

NoValueAviator 08-29-2020 09:51 AM

It's too bad the discussion is about flowing back AA guys and not flowing back our own former eagle flows. I'm way more open to taking a seniority hit for those dudes, but I really don't want to see (or bid against) F-15 punks who have probably never paid their dues, and never will.


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